Writing Why would you study creative writing if a good narrative doesn't guarantee popularity?

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I took creative writing and realized that the teachers in college were full of shit. I learned the profound meaning of, "those that can't do, teach." Especially when their book sales are propped up by selling the book in a slide at the beginning of class.
 

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I took creative writing and realized that the teachers in college were full of shit. I learned the profound meaning of, "those that can't do, teach." Especially when their book sales are propped up by selling the book in a slide at the beginning of class.
I've never heard anything good about college level creative writing classes - community learning center ones? Yep. High School and Middle School ones? Absolutely - one of my better experiences in ... either seventh or eighth grade, don't remember which now. But college? No, those are usually run by tenured professors who just need a few more contact hours to keep their income flow.
 

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Just share your opinion. There are no right or wrong answers here. :blob_melt:
People actually study creative writing?
I guess that makes sense, to a degree.
I can't say I've ever studied it formally, and probably won't.

I firmly believe that Artistic expression, in its truest, and purest sense needs to come from within the artist, and is conveyed through the medium they have chosen, and this is not something that can be taught. It must be there from the beginning. The artforms used are simply a means of expressing what is already there in the creator's heart and soul.
Sure, you can learn the technical aspects of the literary arts, just as any other artform, if you lack the passion and visionary spirit of an artist, nothing will come of it. However, if you are willing, and able, to pour your heart, and soul into every word, or brushstroke, or line, or what-have-you, then your art will live on as your legacy.

This is just my opinion, but since the greatest artists don't pursue their artform with the intent of seeking fame or fortune, and many rarely ever achieve such in their lifetimes, I suspect the reason for pursuing one's artistic craft is equally prevalent to their lasting success and legacy. Only those who break the mold, and follow their own vision achieve any true measure of artistic success and lasting influence, so if any of you reading this are wondering what the formula for success is, then do please take this under consideration.
 

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People actually study creative writing?
I guess that makes sense, to a degree.
I can't say I've ever studied it formally, and probably won't.

I firmly believe that Artistic expression, in its truest, and purest sense needs to come from within the artist, and is conveyed through the medium they have chosen, and this is not something that can be taught. It must be there from the beginning. The artforms used are simply a means of expressing what is already there in the creator's heart and soul.
Sure, you can learn the technical aspects of the literary arts, just as any other artform, if you lack the passion and visionary spirit of an artist, nothing will come of it. However, if you are willing, and able, to pour your heart, and soul into every word, or brushstroke, or line, or what-have-you, then your art will live on as your legacy.

This is just my opinion, but since the greatest artists don't pursue their artform with the intent of seeking fame or fortune, and many rarely ever achieve such in their lifetimes, I suspect the reason for pursuing one's artistic craft is equally prevalent to their lasting success and legacy. Only those who break the mold, and follow their own vision achieve any true measure of artistic success and lasting influence, so if any of you reading this are wondering what the formula for success is, then do please take this under consideration.
While you are correct, most artists do study the works of others, either to learn what to emulate, or what to avoid. Creative Writing classes can help this if run well (or crush this if run poorly, by focusing on works the teacher likes instead of ones that are timeless examples, or by avoiding anything "popular" as "common trash" or whatnot).
 

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At this point, it's the joy of improvement and creation that drives me. Plus my anti-vision. I don't wish to die with regrets. One of my regrets would be not making what I want, not putting it out in the world. It's through that which drives me to do anything I please, even if it's an unpopular decision.
 

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I was once in college. Twice, actually.
To get any degree you need a certain number of credits.
Some are in your major.
Some are in specified fields.
Some are whatever you feel like.
Some might be in your declared minor, if your degree requires that.
Yeah, I had to take X credit hours in the English department.
Creative Writing courses sounded interesting.
And they were... provided you take one of the "sane" English professors.
(there were some strange units with tenure in that department)

For brevity, I guess I have to pick one main thing here, and I'll choose... "essays".

Essays are held out to be some kind of mythical writing goal.
And we had to read a bunch of them, trust me on that.
We read essays in class. We discussed essays in class.
We read essays for homework, we read many essays over holiday break.
Sometimes we all read one then discussed it.
Sometimes the teacher read one aloud, then lectured on it.
Sometimes one of us had to read one aloud.
Sometimes we had to read our own work aloud, sometimes each others.
But trust me here, there were more essays read than you can shake a stick at.

And here's the thing about almost all of these essays... they're B-O-R-I-N-G !!

I mean, maybe a couple were okay? And just okay.
As in, I enjoyed how the writer wrote the thing, the way they did descriptions or the metaphors.
Only O-N-E out of all those essays? Stayed with me, and pops into my head, unbidden.
Its been a number of years, and to be honest more than I prefer to count.
That ONE essay, had incredible staying power. That's it.

we had a school newspaper in college, which is normal.
we also had I suppose you call it a literary rag... we all called it any number of things.
"the other weird school newspaper"
"the short story newspaper"
etc

Know what was in that thing? There was usually a number of creative weird little stories taken by submission.
They could be humorous, zany, serious, anything.
Some, I still remember, it must have been the zany novelty aspect.

But UNFORTUNATELY, the English Professors would take turns getting "published" in this rag.
fourteen pages of yet another? You guessed it... "Essay on BoringThing".
or, my personal favorite... "Essay on NothingAtAll"

and that's my giant complaint, with the whole "Creative Writing" department, and the whole science of it all.

still though... that *one* essay that I will never forget?
Yeah, I took a couple things from it.
The more I might sit and ponder on that one, once in a while I might derive some small thing more.
As I sit here and write this, I idly wonder.
What would @Eldoria have to say about THAT essay.
To me, it was right up her alley.
Family, sweetness, Hallmark greeting card feelings.
Single mommy, single young daughter.
I need more than sappy emotion, though. There was some tension and plot.
In a sort of micro-Crichton way, I "accidentally" learned a lot about the science of wild and tame turkeys and ornithology.
Ripe with metaphor and I suppose other things. Very descriptive.
And all in a very short little story.
 
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