Why does modern military firepower not work against monsters and other BS reasonings.

[NotaNuffian]

It is standard BS really.

Because monster has mana/ qi/ mystic-energy reinforced bodies, thus they becomes bullet and explosion proof if said weapon is not mana/ qi/ mystic-energy made.

The laziest reason I am currently hearing is "it is the otherworld. Not from GATE, so yeah, deal with it."

 

[Eldoria]

This question doesn't make sense according to this anime:

Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri

Off-duty Japan Self-Defense Forces (JSDF) officer and otaku Youji Itami is on his way to attend a doujin convention in Ginza, Tokyo when a mysterious portal in the shape of a large gate suddenly appears. From this gate, supernatural creatures and warriors clad in medieval armor emerge, charging...

myanimelist.net

 

[Arkus86]

My pet peeve is when conventional weapons do not work, so they invent a weapon that does work, but they only mount it in half a dozen humanoid mechs (already a terribly inefficient design in itself, but that's a whole different rant) that can only be operated by teenagers. Even better when they still use conventional soldiers with conventional weapons as cannon fodder, knowing full well they can't do crap.

 

[Garolymar]

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that it makes the monster seem less threatening if you can just shoot it. A gun is something that we know how effective and dangerous they can be so when the demon lord turns into mush from a 12 gauge well then eh... He's somebody I could probably deal with. This is probably the reason why guns in Japanese media especially feel like pea shooters and worse than melee weapons in almost every circumstance. Gun fights are also just less cool to watch, playing them in a game is 50/50 depending on the combat mechanics. Honestly book gun fights are probably the most interesting cause you're really lingering inside the minds of the gunmen and the tension that comes from poking your head out at the wrong time or the angst of every missed shot.

They're just hard to balance interest wise. They're either too effective and ruin the tension or too weak which ruins suspension of disbelief in the world the person created. Personal example for me relating to games anyway is any RPG with guns in them. I hate games where you have to shoot anything human more than a couple times. Just feels really lame.

 

[DaelyxLenAuphydas]

So you want a reason... But are going to dismiss any reason given as invalid?
Just don't read or watch things with monsters and guns in them if it bugs you that much. Having cool fantasy stuff always die immediately to bullets would be lame as hell.

 

[kidmonkey94]

TBF, elephants, rhinos, and hippos are 'bulletproof' until you get up to heavy arms fire. Wouldn't be surprised if you needed an RPG to even scratch a proper dragon's scales.

Usually what I've seen/read has been either 'guns don't work because that would be cheating' (and break the power system). So after entering something like a 'Gate'/Portal, they become nonfunctional.

Or the LAWS change so that reactions like gunpowder work differently. The thing that's dumb about this one is that you could still make something like a potato gun using basic wind, water, or fire magic. Really anything that would let you create pressure in a confined space.

 

[Corty]

I made the monsters' hide to be armored AF. Of course, with enough firepower, you can blast it; that's why I have mechs and artillery but not conventional firearms. Those would do jack shit to them, so much so that the main army of my MC is making armor out of their skin.

 

[NotaNuffian]

So you want a reason... But are going to dismiss any reason given as invalid?
Just don't read or watch things with monsters and guns in them if it bugs you that much. Having cool fantasy stuff always die immediately to bullets would be lame as hell.

It amuses me I guess.

Also I am trying to steal ideas.

 

[Golden_Hyde]

basically "le humans must be stopped" and so the authors made bullets hit like a rubber.

 

[Arkus86]

TBF, elephants, rhinos, and hippos are 'bulletproof' until you get up to heavy arms fire. Wouldn't be surprised if you needed an RPG to even scratch a proper dragon's scales.

Usually what I've seen/read has been either 'guns don't work because that would be cheating' (and break the power system). So after entering something like a 'Gate'/Portal, they become nonfunctional.

Or the LAWS change so that reactions like gunpowder work differently. The thing that's dumb about this one is that you could still make something like a potato gun using basic wind, water, or fire magic. Really anything that would let you create pressure in a confined space.

Half of "alien invasion on Earth" Japanese novels/manga/anime (and those inspired by them I guess) have conventional weapons not working at all, or being barely a hindrance. From the top of my head, Evangelion, Chrome Shelled Regios and Darling in the Franxx all have enemy that is impervious to regular wepons, despite those weapons working normally.
There are some when the aliens are just resistant to conventional weapons, like the Muv-Luv Alternative universe, but for some reson they still waste their limited resources by mounting their most advanced weapons on inefficient and overengineered mechs.

 

[kelmor]

I guess it depends on the goal of the story. If the idea is to make the humans challenged, there's ways to do it without outright nerfing their stuff.

Drop them in another world but cut them off from logistical supply. Their guns / tanks / whatever work, but they only have so much ammo and fuel. They need to adapt, find alternative weapons, find ways to resupply with the resources available. Those Who Hunt Elves is a comedy so it's played for laughs, but iirc they find their tank's diesel engine can be fueled with some sort of local fruit juice, which isn't really that big of a stretch. Get creative.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Half of "alien invasion on Earth" Japanese novels/manga/anime (and those inspired by them I guess) have conventional weapons not working at all, or being barely a hindrance. From the top of my head, Evangelion, Chrome Shelled Regios and Darling in the Franxx all have enemy that is impervious to regular wepons, despite those weapons working normally.
There are some when the aliens are just resistant to conventional weapons, like the Muv-Luv Alternative universe, but for some reson they still waste their limited resources by mounting their most advanced weapons on inefficient and overengineered mechs.

Sorry, the only thing I can recall of Muv Luv is skintight.

 

[PancakesWitch]

i feel like there's a good middle ground where modern weaponry can work on mostly the smaller monsters like goblins or some sort of beasts, guns and the like, missiles and bombs, but anything that goes beyond them, like a huge monster with elemental powers could easily curbstomp tanks with ease
these stories mostly just tell you that they dont work, but they never SHOW it, to make it believable, they have to introduce scenes where a huge dragon tanks a nuclear bomb or something to make it beliavable, not just say that a little goblin that's smaller and weaker-looking than you somehow is immune to bullets, becuse that's always been bullshit lol

 

[JayMark]

The Demon Lord decrees that all modern weapons are now useless, break instantly when up against monsters.

 

[Deleted member 166465]

I think I will upload the machiavellian knight over here. Si my first "Science fiction" but... lets say it didnt work as expected.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

How else could a modern setting find usage of old weapons, its a fantasy setting now.

How could the author deign enemies that are so esoteric that normal weapons just become inefficent, like memetic hazards and reality bender are too weird.

 

[LilRora]

In theory, this is an interesting choice that allows to ignore some issues with the modern weaponry. In practice, the execution usually leaves a lot to be desired.

The biggest issue I see with many of those stories is that the delivery method somehow matters. Modern artillery and bombs will be incapable of doing anything to a monster, yet somehow a big mecha will be able to deal with a Kaiju. What's in there that makes it possible? Size? In terms of destructive potential, a mecha isn't even close to what can be achieved with modern weaponry. I don't even know how to explain this well because it's so artificial.

The second biggest issue is that somehow this is a hard lock. The proper way to do this is not to say "modern weapons don't work", but "firearms and explosives are much less effective due to [insert reason such as mana reinforcement, or whatever fits the worldbuilding], so we've found these ways that work better".

If those two problems are avoided, it can work pretty well, but to be fair that requires way more military and general knowledge, since if those matter, we should be committed to writing at least a halfway realistic story.

 

[Sarandib]

Fantasy stories featuring firearms are too scarce on Scribble Hub. I say we need more Westerns. Or at least swords and guns, like fantasy based on the late 17th century.

 

[Amelia-chan]

It is standard BS really.

Because monster has mana/ qi/ mystic-energy reinforced bodies, thus they becomes bullet and explosion proof if said weapon is not mana/ qi/ mystic-energy made.

The laziest reason I am currently hearing is "it is the otherworld. Not from GATE, so yeah, deal with it."

plot convenience. You can't have heroes and stuff if modern weapons work.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

It is standard BS really.

Because monster has mana/ qi/ mystic-energy reinforced bodies, thus they becomes bullet and explosion proof if said weapon is not mana/ qi/ mystic-energy made.

The laziest reason I am currently hearing is "it is the otherworld. Not from GATE, so yeah, deal with it."

As you said, it does not make sense~. If logic was applied consistently, mana/ qi/ mystic-energy should not be able to interact with the physical realm either.

If A can interact with B, B can also interact with A.