people used to say that about marvel fans and people who played video games before they got popular. now that corporations are playing around with them its cool to like those things now.
just because you dont understand it, you blindly reject it in a hope to look cool. pathetic
people used to say that about marvel fans and people who played video games before they got popular. now that corporations are playing around with them its cool to like those things now.
just because you dont understand it, you blindly reject it in a hope to look cool. pathetic
When it comes to web novels, if nothing has changed, LitRPG sells more than sex. Again, if nothing has changed, RR earns the most right not. And it's either LitRPG there, or get out. Moreover, their content guidelins are a lot stricter. You can't write tons of r-18 content.
people used to say that about marvel fans and people who played video games before they got popular. now that corporations are playing around with them its cool to like those things now.
just because you dont understand it, you blindly reject it in a hope to look cool. pathetic
Do I really need to put a Disclaimer on every post that shouldn't be meant to be serious? Do I now need to warn people before a punchline or before I become sarcastic? My mind tells me no, Common Sense should be, well, common, right? But I don't know which system is to blame, but it seems it somehow got upgraded to Ultra Rare without me noticing...
And Marvel fans are still delusional. But now that Boku no Pico Academia and TikTok got popular everyone just accepts that there's worse out there (Disclaimer: The previous sentences contain the negatively perceived emotion commonly known as "sarcasm", do not take those seriously!!!)
But anyway, nope. Acting cool wasn't the reaction I was fishing for, but people being butthurt because others don't like what they like is a pretty close second.
I reject the genre because
-I don't like the prevalent kinds of main characters that overpopulate the genre. You either have the "too-cool-for-school"-edgelord asshole, the already whipped beta male, the "don't care about others, need to get STRONKS"-Idiot, or the pervert that actively tries to woo and bang everything that at least looks female, in varying degrees or combinations...
-the one-dimensionality that gets forced upon characters because it is too hard to write more than a few fleshed-out characters and the harem needs to grow, so most characters are nothing more than trophies,
-the ending, if there ever will be one, is pretty much set in stone. Nobody writing a harem story would leave their MC without a harem or kill them off, so there always has to be a happy ending, unless you want to lose your readers for good,
the absolute focus on the protagonist and his entourage, so we only ever get POVs from people acting against MC or people praising MC,
-and the need to instantly castrate other male characters' agency because otherwise the readers will go torch & pitchfork and scream the unholy three letters at the writer...
Want me to tell I only read bad ones? I tried a few of the popular ones, and a few were actually good stories, but the harem parts still felt more like useless pandering and filler episodes than anything else.
So now that I explained my point, you can either ignore me, try to prove me wrong, or realize that not everyone needs to like the stuff you like to like it or feel butthurt and attack me with ad hominem. I really hope it isn't the last option...
Do I really need to put a Disclaimer on every post that shouldn't be meant to be serious? Do I now need to warn people before a punchline or before I become sarcastic? My mind tells me no, Common Sense should be, well, common, right? But I don't know which system is to blame, but it seems it somehow got upgraded to Ultra Rare without me noticing...
And Marvel fans are still delusional. But now that Boku no Pico Academia and TikTok got popular everyone just accepts that there's worse out there (Disclaimer: The previous sentences contain the negatively perceived emotion commonly known as "sarcasm", do not take those seriously!!!)
But anyway, nope. Acting cool wasn't the reaction I was fishing for, but people being butthurt because others don't like what they like is a pretty close second.
I reject the genre because
-I don't like the prevalent kinds of main characters that overpopulate the genre. You either have the "too-cool-for-school"-edgelord asshole, the already whipped beta male, the "don't care about others, need to get STRONKS"-Idiot, or the pervert that actively tries to woo and bang everything that at least looks female, in varying degrees or combinations...
-the one-dimensionality that gets forced upon characters because it is too hard to write more than a few fleshed-out characters and the harem needs to grow, so most characters are nothing more than trophies,
-the ending, if there ever will be one, is pretty much set in stone. Nobody writing a harem story would leave their MC without a harem or kill them off, so there always has to be a happy ending, unless you want to lose your readers for good,
the absolute focus on the protagonist and his entourage, so we only ever get POVs from people acting against MC or people praising MC,
-and the need to instantly castrate other male characters' agency because otherwise the readers will go torch & pitchfork and scream the unholy three letters at the writer...
Want me to tell I only read bad ones? I tried a few of the popular ones, and a few were actually good stories, but the harem parts still felt more like useless pandering and filler episodes than anything else.
So now that I explained my point, you can either ignore me, try to prove me wrong, or realize that not everyone needs to like the stuff you like to like it or feel butthurt and attack me with ad hominem. I really hope it isn't the last option...
like seriously tho out of 10 stories 7 of them would inculde the harem tag! Gawd damn! not that i have anything against harem its just that, what's so appealing about harem that so many authors seems like writing harem stories.
But seriously, it's just fun to write a fluffy adventure with many characters that grow on each other and interact together (where the story is actually a story and not filler between the harem theme). It's entertaining to figure it out in an interesting way while also more or less keeping things logical.
But, it's the same as with any other genre. 70-80% of stories are trash no matter if they are harem or not. But, it takes only a single actually good one to get you craving for more like it, making you scour through heaps of trash in hopes of finding that feeling of bliss again. People don't suddenly like harem, litrpg, fantasy, scifi, horrors out of the blue. There's always a trigger. And if you don't, then you just haven't stumbled on yours yet.
Do I really need to put a Disclaimer on every post that shouldn't be meant to be serious? Do I now need to warn people before a punchline or before I become sarcastic? My mind tells me no, Common Sense should be, well, common, right? But I don't know which system is to blame, but it seems it somehow got upgraded to Ultra Rare without me noticing...
And Marvel fans are still delusional. But now that Boku no Pico Academia and TikTok got popular everyone just accepts that there's worse out there (Disclaimer: The previous sentences contain the negatively perceived emotion commonly known as "sarcasm", do not take those seriously!!!)
But anyway, nope. Acting cool wasn't the reaction I was fishing for, but people being butthurt because others don't like what they like is a pretty close second.
I reject the genre because
-I don't like the prevalent kinds of main characters that overpopulate the genre. You either have the "too-cool-for-school"-edgelord asshole, the already whipped beta male, the "don't care about others, need to get STRONKS"-Idiot, or the pervert that actively tries to woo and bang everything that at least looks female, in varying degrees or combinations...
-the one-dimensionality that gets forced upon characters because it is too hard to write more than a few fleshed-out characters and the harem needs to grow, so most characters are nothing more than trophies,
-the ending, if there ever will be one, is pretty much set in stone. Nobody writing a harem story would leave their MC without a harem or kill them off, so there always has to be a happy ending, unless you want to lose your readers for good,
the absolute focus on the protagonist and his entourage, so we only ever get POVs from people acting against MC or people praising MC,
-and the need to instantly castrate other male characters' agency because otherwise the readers will go torch & pitchfork and scream the unholy three letters at the writer...
Want me to tell I only read bad ones? I tried a few of the popular ones, and a few were actually good stories, but the harem parts still felt more like useless pandering and filler episodes than anything else.
So now that I explained my point, you can either ignore me, try to prove me wrong, or realize that not everyone needs to like the stuff you like to like it or feel butthurt and attack me with ad hominem. I really hope it isn't the last option...
Just for this...
I am adding to my list of BOOKS TO WRITE SOMEDAY.
Bad Harem
It's a harem that comes with many sexy babes, and a terrible curse. What's the curse? It changes every time it kills the MC and he gets slammed back into his body with the clock reset. Every time he dies, the number of the back of his hand decreases by one.
Breaking Bad Harem
It's a harem that also works for the MC making Crystal Meth. All the women are emotionally damaged and absolutely cranked out of their minds on Ketamine. They might not use their own product, but nobody said they couldn't abuse someone's ELSES product.
The Trophy Harem
It's about when Disney goes into bankruptcy, they have to auction off many of their IPs. One of those IPs is the crash-and-burn Sitcom, The Trophy Wife. The man who wins it gets it on eBay for one dollar. The loser, with no other prospects, starts to write fanfiction about this terrible show and winds up getting a huge fan base of very bored housewives with very jealous husbands. Massive amounts of NTR.
Isekai Harem Nightmare
The MC thinks he's hit the jackpot when he gets Isekai'd into his favorate Harem based NTR OverPowered Protagonist Hentai Anime, but unfortunately, he was the tour guide on a bus full of Old Women from a woman's only nursing home that drove off a cliff and all the women from the bus get Isekai'd into the bodies of all his Harem Women and they all get cheat powers as well. Oh, just so you think the MC isn't getting laid, remember these women have been cooped up in a Nursing home for decades with no husbands and are just now in the bodies of nubile barely legal Lolis. They're getting laid. NOW. Oh. Most of them still have the various mental illnesses that put them in the nursing home in the first place and at least three of them faked mental illness to get out of being sent to prison for a bank heist, and the one with all her mental faculties intact was a serial killer who murdered all her husbands for cheating on her. All twelve of them.
-I don't like the prevalent kinds of main characters that overpopulate the genre. You either have the "too-cool-for-school"-edgelord asshole, the already whipped beta male, the "don't care about others, need to get STRONKS"-Idiot, or the pervert that actively tries to woo and bang everything that at least looks female, in varying degrees or combinations...
Jack/Angel is none of these things. Jack wound up in a world of Reversed Sexual Morality world with Superheroes and desided that he didn't want to be labelled a slut, so he created an alternate identity that was the version of his that would fuck everything. Except that Jack met someone and wanted to have a serious relationship while Angel became a separate personality and THAT personality is actually very manipulative, a bit beta at times, but that's because he is the ideal "male" for this world. But he also happens to love very much every woman he bangs, Instantly. Which gets very complicated very quickly so he's actually reaching a point where he's going, "I got my hands full."
-the one-dimensionality that gets forced upon characters because it is too hard to write more than a few fleshed-out characters and the harem needs to grow, so most characters are nothing more than trophies,
DUDE.
Hara-Kiri Nonfeasance. Pushing 290k words for book one. I NEVER do anything where the characters are one-dimensional. And it is EASY AS HELL. if YOU think writing developed characters is hard, you're just lazy or WEAK. Most likely both.
The problem isn't writing fleshed-out characters. The problem is limiting myself to the storyline because a story I could have written in 30k words. turned into 300k words in order to make sure every single character has their moment to show you who they are, and I'm honestly only a third done. I got two more books. When I'm done, this thing should be longer than 'War and Peace' and 'Infinite Jest' COMBINED.
The trick with any story is it must have a strong story seed and be allowed to grow ORGANICLY. Too many writers come up with OOO! I HAZ KEWL IDEAZ!! and they use the cool idea. No. if the cool idea is a cool idea for CHAPTER 120, and you are at chapter 25, you write it, save it and you come up with ANOTHER KEWL IDEAZ.
I'm just now coming to the slow burn ending of HKN and the part where I finally put the screws to the MC to make him forgive himself for the horrible mistakes he's made or else his sister dies? Like, he actually MUST let go of his own self-loathing or she WILL die by his hand. Oooooohhhhhhhhh.... it is SO GOOD. But you know something? I came up with that Idea TWO YEARS AGO. it took TWO YEARS to write the story behind the one KEWL IDEAZ.
But, that's what you do, if you want a good book.
You are bitching about terrible writers, not Harems.
-the ending, if there ever will be one, is pretty much set in stone. Nobody writing a harem story would leave their MC without a harem or kill them off, so there always has to be a happy ending, unless you want to lose your readers for good,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You think you know the ending to my stories?
DO YOU THINK I WON"T TURN MY MC INTO A QUIVERING PILE OF SUFFERING?
And guess what?
YOU WILL LOVE MY MC'S SUFFERING.
You will read it and go, "This is poetry. This is some next level, bittersweet, hurts so bad it is GOOD pain.
You do not know my story. You cannot predict my ends, You know why?
Because I come up with a great idea, then I come up with a second Great Idea. Each idea MUST be great. Then, I only tell you about the second best idea, so that when I subvert your expectations and show you it was the better idea all along, you will go, "Damn. I didn't expect for something EVEN BETTER."
And I will not lose you as a reader, because you will go, "No. This is what should happen. It hurts, but it is what is best." And there will be some joy, and there will be some loss. The only thing you can predict is that the MC will be alive until the final act of the final book. What state he is in, or if he survives, You have no idea. Trust me. YOU DON'T. Everyone else? Ohhhhh.... *licks lips*
Uhhh... Who else would you get a PoV from? There are those who LIKE the MC, and those who DON'T. Who... else would you do a PoV from? Like... his tailor? Do you want a PoV from a squirrel?
And how could it be an ABSOLUTE focus on the MC and his Harem is you ALSO have PoV from his enemies? I... WHAT?
This makes no sense.
-and the need to instantly castrate other male characters' agency because otherwise the readers will go torch & pitchfork and scream the unholy three letters at the writer...
Uhhh... In FTS, I think I wrote the other male Characters very well. We have the slut who is in reverse sexual morality Japan who is selling his body for sex, but he's not very important to the story until what's coming up next, but when he
get's raped by the MC's sister and is confused if he liked it or not. Also, the topic of that Arc will be, can a prostitute even get upset about being sexually assaulted if he gets paid?
I think the story will be ALL about his agency. Also, the male rival to the MC is written to be as appealing as possible, because if the reader doesn't think it's possible the MC will lose, then WHAT'S THE POINT OF A RIVAL? So I sure as hell don't castrate him. He's just strong in a different fashion.
My readers have NEVER gone torch and pitchfork because I make it clear, "YOU DON'T KNOW." I'm not selling a story for mass appeal. I am writing a GOOD STORY. My biggest flaw as a writer is, you, the reader, will need to assume I know what I'm doing, because it will be a long time until certain things get revealed.
For example, HKN. The number one complaint is, "Your MC is nonsensical. He makes random choices and isn't logical."
Well, eventually you find out the previous occupant of the body he got Isekai'd into is still around and is basically acting like a Grudge. Also, when you find out about his dark past and the BIG MISTAKE, it becomes obvious that his psychological hangups absolutely cripple him when he faces off against his one weakness.
The title says it all. Kara-Kiri Nonfeasance. When you commit suicide and it just makes everything SO. MUCH. WORSE.
BTW, suicide is a bad idea, it never helps. That's the moral of the story, kids.
But if you stick to the end, every complaint and every question gets answered. Well, at least the stuff I'm not saving for Book 2, gets answered. I got a whole slew of character arcs for the 3rd prince, and the whole recurring theme of what it means to be the third child as all the various third sons each have their own arc to show the different ways they are treated and how they deal with their own shitty lives and what the various outcomes could be depending of how you choose to live your life and...
Mmm...
So wonderfully complex.
Not every harem is about sex. Some of them are about emotional connections. Friendships. Emotional support. The MC has a harem of sorts. Three (well, technically four, but one of those relationships is more like, They see the MC as a grandson) women that love him, each in their own way, and in a way, he loves them all back as well, but he's still shackled to the memory of his dead wife. Each relationship is explored and tested in different ways. Why, we're just coming up on Charity's big secret I THINK... in two days. By the 3rd, for sure. Mmmm... So gonna love it when the Villain tears her soul open and exposes her greatest shame in front of the whole world. The pain it will cause the MC to see her suffer like that is... just... Perfect.
Anyways...
My point is, you are just reading poorly written stories that aren't willing to take chances.
You want a good story, you need stakes and a bag guy that you either love or hate. Hopefully, he's someone you love to hate. The greatness of an MC is only measured by the challenges he overcomes. If your Villain isn't a strong whetstone, how will you ever sharpen the edge of your Protagonist?
If you, as a writer, are not willing to take big risks, you will never write a great story.
If you fail, learn and move on.
Just for this...
I am adding to my list of BOOKS TO WRITE SOMEDAY.
Bad Harem
It's a harem that comes with many sexy babes, and a terrible curse. What's the curse? It changes every time it kills the MC and he gets slammed back into his body with the clock reset. Every time he dies, the number of the back of his hand decreases by one.
Breaking Bad Harem
It's a harem that also works for the MC making Crystal Meth. All the women are emotionally damaged and absolutely cranked out of their minds on Ketamine. They might not use their own product, but nobody said they couldn't abuse someone's ELSES product.
The Trophy Harem
It's about when Disney goes into bankruptcy, they have to auction off many of their IPs. One of those IPs is the crash-and-burn Sitcom, The Trophy Wife. The man who wins it gets it on eBay for one dollar. The loser, with no other prospects, starts to write fanfiction about this terrible show and winds up getting a huge fan base of very bored housewives with very jealous husbands. Massive amounts of NTR.
Isekai Harem Nightmare
The MC thinks he's hit the jackpot when he gets Isekai'd into his favorate Harem based NTR OverPowered Protagonist Hentai Anime, but unfortunately, he was the tour guide on a bus full of Old Women from a woman's only nursing home that drove off a cliff and all the women from the bus get Isekai'd into the bodies of all his Harem Women and they all get cheat powers as well. Oh, just so you think the MC isn't getting laid, remember these women have been cooped up in a Nursing home for decades with no husbands and are just now in the bodies of nubile barely legal Lolis. They're getting laid. NOW. Oh. Most of them still have the various mental illnesses that put them in the nursing home in the first place and at least three of them faked mental illness to get out of being sent to prison for a bank heist, and the one with all her mental faculties intact was a serial killer who murdered all her husbands for cheating on her. All twelve of them.
She's got her sights set on number 13.
I Was Summoned By A Super Villainess is written by me, is technically a harem story, and proves you wrong.
Jack/Angel is none of these things. Jack wound up in a world of Reversed Sexual Morality world with Superheroes and desided that he didn't want to be labelled a slut, so he created an alternate identity that was the version of his that would fuck everything. Except that Jack met someone and wanted to have a serious relationship while Angel became a separate personality and THAT personality is actually very manipulative, a bit beta at times, but that's because he is the ideal "male" for this world. But he also happens to love very much every woman he bangs, Instantly. Which gets very complicated very quickly so he's actually reaching a point where he's going, "I got my hands full."
DUDE.
Hara-Kiri Nonfeasance. Pushing 290k words for book one. I NEVER do anything where the characters are one-dimensional. And it is EASY AS HELL. if YOU think writing developed characters is hard, you're just lazy or WEAK. Most likely both.
The problem isn't writing fleshed-out characters. The problem is limiting myself to the storyline because a story I could have written in 30k words. turned into 300k words in order to make sure every single character has their moment to show you who they are, and I'm honestly only a third done. I got two more books. When I'm done, this thing should be longer than 'War and Peace' and 'Infinite Jest' COMBINED.
The trick with any story is it must have a strong story seed and be allowed to grow ORGANICLY. Too many writers come up with OOO! I HAZ KEWL IDEAZ!! and they use the cool idea. No. if the cool idea is a cool idea for CHAPTER 120, and you are at chapter 25, you write it, save it and you come up with ANOTHER KEWL IDEAZ.
I'm just now coming to the slow burn ending of HKN and the part where I finally put the screws to the MC to make him forgive himself for the horrible mistakes he's made or else his sister dies? Like, he actually MUST let go of his own self-loathing or she WILL die by his hand. Oooooohhhhhhhhh.... it is SO GOOD. But you know something? I came up with that Idea TWO YEARS AGO. it took TWO YEARS to write the story behind the one KEWL IDEAZ.
But, that's what you do, if you want a good book.
You are bitching about terrible writers, not Harems.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You think you know the ending to my stories?
DO YOU THINK I WON"T TURN MY MC INTO A QUIVERING PILE OF SUFFERING?
And guess what?
YOU WILL LOVE MY MC'S SUFFERING.
You will read it and go, "This is poetry. This is some next level, bittersweet, hurts so bad it is GOOD pain.
You do not know my story. You cannot predict my ends, You know why?
Because I come up with a great idea, then I come up with a second Great Idea. Each idea MUST be great. Then, I only tell you about the second best idea, so that when I subvert your expectations and show you it was the better idea all along, you will go, "Damn. I didn't expect for something EVEN BETTER."
And I will not lose you as a reader, because you will go, "No. This is what should happen. It hurts, but it is what is best." And there will be some joy, and there will be some loss. The only thing you can predict is that the MC will be alive until the final act of the final book. What state he is in, or if he survives, You have no idea. Trust me. YOU DON'T. Everyone else? Ohhhhh.... *licks lips*
I gotta eat SOMETHING, ya know?
Uhhh... Who else would you get a PoV from? There are those who LIKE the MC, and those who DON'T. Who... else would you do a PoV from? Like... his tailor? Do you want a PoV from a squirrel?
And how could it be an ABSOLUTE focus on the MC and his Harem is you ALSO have PoV from his enemies? I... WHAT?
This makes no sense.
You drunk. Go home.
Uhhh... In FTS, I think I wrote the other male Characters very well. We have the slut who is in reverse sexual morality Japan who is selling his body for sex, but he's not very important to the story until what's coming up next, but when he
get's raped by the MC's sister and is confused if he liked it or not. Also, the topic of that Arc will be, can a prostitute even get upset about being sexually assaulted if he gets paid?
I think the story will be ALL about his agency. Also, the male rival to the MC is written to be as appealing as possible, because if the reader doesn't think it's possible the MC will lose, then WHAT'S THE POINT OF A RIVAL? So I sure as hell don't castrate him. He's just strong in a different fashion.
My readers have NEVER gone torch and pitchfork because I make it clear, "YOU DON'T KNOW." I'm not selling a story for mass appeal. I am writing a GOOD STORY. My biggest flaw as a writer is, you, the reader, will need to assume I know what I'm doing, because it will be a long time until certain things get revealed.
For example, HKN. The number one complaint is, "Your MC is nonsensical. He makes random choices and isn't logical."
Well, eventually you find out the previous occupant of the body he got Isekai'd into is still around and is basically acting like a Grudge. Also, when you find out about his dark past and the BIG MISTAKE, it becomes obvious that his psychological hangups absolutely cripple him when he faces off against his one weakness.
The title says it all. Kara-Kiri Nonfeasance. When you commit suicide and it just makes everything SO. MUCH. WORSE.
BTW, suicide is a bad idea, it never helps. That's the moral of the story, kids.
But if you stick to the end, every complaint and every question gets answered. Well, at least the stuff I'm not saving for Book 2, gets answered. I got a whole slew of character arcs for the 3rd prince, and the whole recurring theme of what it means to be the third child as all the various third sons each have their own arc to show the different ways they are treated and how they deal with their own shitty lives and what the various outcomes could be depending of how you choose to live your life and...
Mmm...
So wonderfully complex.
Not every harem is about sex. Some of them are about emotional connections. Friendships. Emotional support. The MC has a harem of sorts. Three (well, technically four, but one of those relationships is more like, They see the MC as a grandson) women that love him, each in their own way, and in a way, he loves them all back as well, but he's still shackled to the memory of his dead wife. Each relationship is explored and tested in different ways. Why, we're just coming up on Charity's big secret I THINK... in two days. By the 3rd, for sure. Mmmm... So gonna love it when the Villain tears her soul open and exposes her greatest shame in front of the whole world. The pain it will cause the MC to see her suffer like that is... just... Perfect.
Anyways...
My point is, you are just reading poorly written stories that aren't willing to take chances.
You want a good story, you need stakes and a bag guy that you either love or hate. Hopefully, he's someone you love to hate. The greatness of an MC is only measured by the challenges he overcomes. If your Villain isn't a strong whetstone, how will you ever sharpen the edge of your Protagonist?
If you, as a writer, are not willing to take big risks, you will never write a great story.
If you fail, learn and move on.
Weak sauce. This is how you write a chapter as a reply.
Oh. and my favorate story, HKN, has no harem, in fact, the MC is super loyal to his DEAD WIFE.
The story is pushing 275k words, is really a trilogy in its own right, has oodles of plot, and has got an ending that will make you cry and smile at the same time.
I have like... 12 readers.
It is a labor of love, but people like sex. No matter how great the story is, how emotional, how it hits you in the feels and is jammed packed with life lessons and philosophy and multiple perspectives on complex issues.... There's no sex, so it has almost no readers.
Which is fine.
But if you want to be popular, sex sells.
What stories are you reading? Almost all the female centric stories usually wind up with her emotionally jerking around multiple guys, then picking one.
