Why Dark Fantasy Novel were less common than any Regular High-fantasy novel out here?

Izumi_Kenshu

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I like both. I even like the shock value stuff. I am reading Solo Leveling right now for the first time, and every cringe one-liner makes me want to write more edge.

On the other hand, I also like slice-of-life. I especially love the mystical and whimsy stuff, like 100-year-old witches making potions or doing crafting.
I respect your opinion, R.E. I'm curious about whimsical character. Hmm
It might be because of the very same reason you mentioned: that it can easily fall into cringe edginess and shock value.
Sadly, this is what Beginner writer would have done when they make Dark fantasy story for the first time. :(?
It might be because of the very same reason you mentioned: that it can easily fall into cringe edginess and shock value.
Sadly, this is what Beginner writer would have done when they make Dark fantasy story for the first time. :(?
 

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Because you have to be a decent writer to not make it depressing. People will choose the wording that best gives the “dark” feeling yet not realize that so much of it is not good. I’ve read many that are very well written but the pacing will be a bit too slow or that I have to put it down because it became a chore to read. There was this one about a guy being reborn in a dark age Ireland as a girl that I just can’t read. Every single chapter is shoving how bad the MC’s life is down your throat and it is too much.
 

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As someone who's daily life has me hearing about some of the darker things our government does, I prefer a campy trope filled story. Otherwise I just nitpick the inaccuracies or mistakes in the thought structure of the command characters
 

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Because you have to be a decent writer to not make it depressing. People will choose the wording that best gives the “dark” feeling yet not realize that so much of it is not good. I’ve read many that are very well written but the pacing will be a bit too slow or that I have to put it down because it became a chore to read. There was this one about a guy being reborn in a dark age Ireland as a girl that I just can’t read. Every single chapter is shoving how bad the MC’s life is down your throat and it is too much.
Please tell me the name of the Ireland novel.
 
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It might be because of the very same reason you mentioned: that it can easily fall into cringe edginess and shock value.
The majority of the stories on SH—even on sites like Royal Road—are sort of wish fulfillment kind, so authors generally don't prefer to do terrible things to the protagonist. But some do want the theme to be dark, which results in them, usually.

I often hear authors saying they want to kill this and that, make the protagonist's life hell and all, but on closer inspection, nothing really meaningfully changes, except maybe the protagonist now has one more thing on his to-do list. There is no negative outcome to failing, but even if there is, you surely don't feel like it.

Then there's another reason—realism. A big chunk of people read Wn is for escapism, but dark fantasies tend to be more realistic and carry mature themes, as they often deal with the dark side of human nature.
 
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The majority of the stories on SH—even on sites like Royal Road—are sort of wish fulfillment kind, so authors generally don't prefer to do terrible things to the protagonist. But some do want the theme to be dark, which results in them, usually.

I often hear authors saying they want to kill this and that, make the protagonist's life hell and all, but on closer inspection, nothing really meaningfully changes, except maybe the protagonist now has one more thing on his to-do list. There is no negative outcome to failing, but even if there is, you surely don't feel like it.

Then there's another reason—realism. A big chunk of people read Wn is for escapism, but dark fantasies tend to be more realistic and carry mature themes, as they often deal with the dark side of human nature.
There is a lack of consequences in most of the "dark" novels. You rarely see a protagonist mess up and permanently lose an arm or something. Or even lose a friend that was built up throughout the novel. There are also rarely sad endings, even to the dark stories.
 
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There is a lack of consequences in most of the "dark" novels. You rarely see a protagonist mess up and permanently lose an arm or something. Or even lose a friend that was built up throughout the novel. There are also rarely sad endings, even to the dark stories.
It doesn't necessarily have to come to that, or even tragedy, although both genres often overlap. And doing bad things to the protagonist is hardly a dark fantasy thing; it's rather how stories work.

A dark fantasy for me would be exploring dark themes—which means the protagonist must be affected by them—and horror. A story where there is enough gore could be called a dark fantasy.
 
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Writers are soft these days. Cowards. Out here babying their characters rather than stuffing their nose to the pavement and making them see reality as it is.
It's not soft writing; it's escapism. The famous dark novels are usually not web novels. And the web novels are mostly escapism. I don't see a problem with either, though. Some people read to escape from their suffering. Some people want to relate to a suffering character and learn from them. If a character suffers and overcomes challenges, it shows you can.
It doesn't necessarily have to come to that, or even tragedy, although both genres often overlap. And doing bad things to the protagonist is hardly a dark fantasy thing; it's rather how stories work.

A dark fantasy for me would be exploring dark themes—which means the protagonist must be affected by them—and horror. A story where there is enough gore could be called a dark fantasy.
I just meant as you said. They usually overlap. I think a story like Dark Souls is like this. It is mainly wrought with despair and a tragic atmosphere. Humanity is not but undead or hollowed. And the Gods basically forsake them. Yet it got popular. This is proof that dark stories can get popular, but I think they require a very delicate hand. It's hard to do and not tire out the reader.
 

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It is mainly wrought with despair and a tragic atmosphere.
That's a grimdark story more than it is dark fantasy, though dark soul isn't one. In a grimdark setting, it isn't about winning at all—the protagonist will reach his goal or not. They are gritty, realistic, grim, unforgiving, and without hope. Author Alexandra Rowland rightly says the opposite of grimdark is hopepunk. Fate/zero is an example of dark fantasy where berserk is a grimdark manga.
 
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That's a grimdark story more than it is dark fantasy, though dark soul isn't one. In a grimdark setting, it isn't about winning at all—the protagonist will reach his goal or not. They are gritty, realistic, grim, unforgiving, and without hope. Author Alexandra Rowland rightly says the opposite of grimdark is hopepunk. Fate/zero is an example of dark fantasy where berserk is a grimdark manga.
Oh well, then I like grimdark. Since I never watched Fate/zero. Wait, is Re: Zero grimdark?
 

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It saddens me that any of the web novel sites where Dark Fantasy stories are in the minority nowadays. Reading Today isekai was boring and outlandish where every plot was the same and tropes stuff. It doesn't give me the feeling like a Dark fantasy story, It doesn't mean I'm edgy or sociopathic where one scene of a Military corrupt operation massacred the entire village for shock value. I was referring to the symbolism and understanding of how the world where complex which drove every reader insane.
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Writers are soft these days. Cowards. Out here babying their characters rather than stuffing their nose to the pavement and making them see reality as it is.
Well, I think that's based on the writer.
I used to do suicide prevention. Moved onto working nights at a TLS where mental patients getting out of the psych ward would go as a halfway house. If you were haunted by demons at 3a, I was the guy you came to talk to.

I still, to this day, wake up screaming over the nightmare shit they put in my head.

The funny thing is, It never happened to me, but its all there. Stuff that makes you go, "How completely fucked up is humanity?" And the sad thing is, I think I know the answer down to the tenth decimal point. When you put pain like that in someone's head, you try to forget it, you try to accept it, or sometimes, when you are someone like me, the only way to get it out is to share it.

The irony being that's how I got all these horror stories in my head in the first place.

And... humanity isn't that bad. Because its easy to dwell on the horrible, I also know that for each monster there is a broken person because he cared TOO MUCH. You remember the terrible, because its terrible, so its hard to forget that there are people who get broken by this shit. They wouldn't break if they weren't good people. So... there are good people. Far more good than bad, I assure you.

Then you get people who throw themselves into jet engines.

I can't help but think of the ones I almost helped. The ones you work so hard on to keep alive, only for them to finally give up. So another piece of your soul dies inside and you have a choice. Give up, or stand back up and save the next one. And trust me, sooner or later, you give up. Because you can save hundreds of lives, but those two you failed to save, you never forgive yourself. You never let it go. You can say you'll hold that pain tight until it burns and say, "Never Again", but you know what?

Nobody can do that forever.

Sooner or later, you give up, because you can't survive if you don't. Because oddly enough, the better you are at the job, the harder each loss hits, until you know you have to quit, or snap.

And we come back to, Forget it, Accept it, or share it.

If you can't write something dark, and all you write is happy things with sunshine and kittens, good for you. I can write about sunshine and kittens as well. Except they are dead desiccated kittens shriveling under an unforgiving sun. Does it make for a more compelling story, sure...

But the price?
The price...

Sorry. Wandered off-topic there.

My point is, you wanna be a writer? A good one? You're gonna have to take some risks. You're gonna have to do some crazy shit. You have to go out there and DO SOMETHING. Be a hedonist, then fix yourself. Be a hero, and then fail. Break and recover. Try and succeed, then feel the bitter taste of never quite reaching that same high as before. Read philosophical books, then find someone to listen to, instead of preaching. Climb a tree and scrape a knee. Fall in love and bet it all on black. lose everything, then start over and do it all over again, except this time notice you are far too old, and the days of youth are gone. Run around trying to capture lightning in a bottle as you regret the chance you didn't take, the life you didn't share, the joy you never gave.

All that makes a writer. A dark one? Sometimes. A realist? Sometimes. I like to think I'm one optimistic pessimist. Dropped so low I realized that it could only go up from here, and maybe the bottom ain't as bad as everyone says it is. If you do it right, you help someone else out of the hole they are in along the way.
 
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I guess mine classifies as dark fantasy. Which reminds me, there isn't a specific tag for it here.
 
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