Why are there very few comedy novels that are episodic and character driven, like Saiki K., School Rumble, Gintama, etc.

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I was rewatching Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan for the 6th time, because I couldn’t really find a novel focused almost primarily on comedy here, and when there are they seem to focus more on thing the plot than characters and are less episodic. Which is pretty sad to me, because episodic character focused comedies are my favorites when done right. So what is stopping it? Is it lack of interest in reading and/or writing it? Is it just too hard to do in text form? Is my intrest just a bit too niche/have I not searched hard enough? Or is it something else?

Also, before we start, I do know that it is hard to do visual gags in novels without images, but I don’t really think this is the issue. And, everything past this is how I would approach writing this type of comedy, there are definitely other ways.

I think that it is totally possible to create a novel like that. All you need is to create a couple of characters whose personality is slightly absurd in some way. Perhaps one never react to anything, another that is suspicious of those who approach them, one that constantly makes/solves puzzles, etc.

Once you create the characters you need to find the one(s) the pov will come from. Then you use that character to introduce the people and world around them. Although you will want to avoid info dumping unless it is logically consistent and/or a gag, like if the pov was from a noir detective like character that goes into absurd depth when describing the people around them. You then want to come up with a couple gag structures you can use to make an ‘episode’. You will use them to create different scenarios in which the joke/comedy will come from. An example would be having each chapter having 3 scenes the first will be the set up to the joke/scenario, then the joke/scenario, and then the after effects of it. Once you have your structures, write a couple of chapters using them until you get used to how they work, before messing around with them. If the story gets too episodic, and/or if the majority of jokes/scenarios are, then it will get boring fast, so you do need to keep the structure flexible.

Then you need to actually write, while doing so you need to keep the characters logically consistent. If they wouldn’t do something normally, then they need a reason to do it. If the character has no reason to break the 4th wall then don’t do it, and things like that. Also, don’t forget your scenarios, this is pretty much how you tell the story. How will x react to meeting y? What if this happens in a library? Etc. Just make sure that the scenarios make sense in context to the rest of the story, have them be less due too deus ex machina, and more due to the choices of the characters. Don’t be afraid of having more relaxed/mundane scenes to set up your scenario. Finally you probably need to decide how episodic you want to be. Will every episode have little to no effect on the next, like Phineas and Ferb, would every episode effect the next, like School Rumble, or will it be somewhere in the middle, like Saiki K.

Anyways, what do you think?
 

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look man, episodic shows or novels are fine but what the fuck is the point if nothing actually connects or matters? There's fun skits, but they dont provide any reason to continue watching apart from a few laughs and thats fine for some people but i like SOME continuity in my stories.
Saiki K did it right tho, no complaints for those stories.
 

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Writers find them boring to right. Writing something without an overarching plot can get boring for some, i suppose
 

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look man, episodic shows or novels are fine but what the fuck is the point if nothing actually connects or matters? There's fun skits, but they dont provide any reason to continue watching apart from a few laughs and thats fine for some people but i like SOME continuity in my stories.
Saiki K did it right tho, no complaints for those stories.
I think you can write an episodic story where things that happen matters, and the majority do. A few great examples are School Rumble, Zach & Cody, and the first couple seasons of Total Drama. The main difference is that the story is more focused on the characters and individual episodes than a overarching narrative.
 

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Those mediums work better in comics than they do in writing.
maybe but its often just a lack of skill on the writer;s part. I think the expressions can be....well expressed best in comic form but i dont agree its all that hard to do it in the written form either.

But Japanese works in particular are VERY bare bones when it comes to the written word.
 

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maybe but its often just a lack of skill on the writer;s part. I think the expressions can be....well expressed best in comic form but i dont agree its all that hard to do it in the written form either.

But Japanese works in particular are VERY bare bones when it comes to the written word.
Writing requires a different kind of comedy timing and punctuation.
 

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I think you can write an episodic story where things that happen matters, and the majority do. A few great examples are School Rumble, Zach & Cody, and the first couple seasons of Total Drama. The main difference is that the story is more focused on the characters and individual episodes than a overarching narrative.
well yes but TDI had an overarching goal and Zach and Cody was slice of life so being episodic words well and it was just about the relationships between character.

So as long as you understand that, episodic stories can do well. Its either character-focused or goal-oriented since its not plot-focused.

Like family guy or the simpsons. They're funny, but nothing actually matters. Maybe some plot points carry over to later episodes or seasons but its not like they have any real impact.

So you gotta decide if you want the episodes to be pure fun where you can smoke a joint and let your mind run wild, or if you want to slowly establish relationships throughout the run of the story and have it have at least a bit of impact.

Saiki K had a great balance since the MC was so OP he could do whatever he wanted with little consequence but the character also didnt conveniently forget what happened in previous eps.

Most episodic stories i've seen DONT have such balance...which is why i dont like them usually. Really im just mad at the writers, i guess.
Writing requires a different kind of comedy timing and punctuation.
Different but not hard, usually. Its not standup, where every pause or facial expression can effect the joke. Im just saying that a lot of asian stories. particularly japanese ones, are so light in writing style that the comedy and even the overall quality of writing suffers.
 
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Different but not hard, usually. Its not standup, where every pause or facial expression can effect the joke. Im just saying that a lot of asian stories. particularly japanese ones, are so light in writing style that the comedy and even the overall quality of writing suffers.
I've read a lot of funny scamming cultivation novels, but they're not episodic. I didn't say it couldn't be funny, the OP was specifically talking about "episodic focused comedy" not just comedy.
 

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I've read a lot of funny scamming cultivation novels, but they're not episodic. I didn't say it couldn't be funny, the OP was specifically talking about "episodic focused comedy" not just comedy.
episodic is just a category of comedy, im saying that OVERALL those stories just arent written very well and that includes episodic stories
 

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Ai-chan is reluctant to do it. Ai-chan is not funny, but Ai-chan is fun. So Ai-chan goes out of the way to have fun, but not be funny. Ai-chan tried to write a funny anthology in Shit Anthology, but making something funny, instead of fun, is very furry.
 
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