What is the point of publishing? Would you publish your story?

[ACertainPassingUser]

A short video about Pubslisher :

The Most Important question is :
Will their help leads to profit above and beyond the revenue cut that they're taking?

If the answer is No,
Or the answer is I Don't Know,

Then you don't need a publisher

That's it.

 

[theInmara]

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about @ElliePorter but you fit the description, too.

You quoted us, not Ellie.

Learn how to communicate better and more consistently, perhaps. Or, please. Just try. If you want to be an author, it's probably a good idea.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

A short video about Pubslisher :

Wait, publishers are vampires? I might change my mind.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Grow up.

 

[theInmara]

Wow.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Wow.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

Yes

 

[RepresentingWrath]

We can sum up this thread with two short answers. What is the point of publishing? To get even more money and fame. Would you publish your story? There is no such thing as enough money and fame.

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

Wait, publishers are vampires? I might change my mind.

I'm now interested in a story about a Vampire owned book publisher and printing industry that print Vampire marketed books to helps Vampires understand about their history, heritage, common powers, technicalities, and other stuff that dorsnt exist on normal human book.

And that doesn't include Vamprie exclusive Grimoires.

Also offer another service for extemely rich Vampires to fill their book libraries.

Just like what they do to millionaires and billionaires when they need to fill books into their newly installed/built libraries.

Newly promoted Vampires usually wants to followt the tradition their predecessors of building their own mansion or castle, depending on their wealth, and then fill the libraries with books.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

You quoted us, not Ellie.

Learn how to communicate better and more consistently, perhaps. Or, please. Just try. If you want to be an author, it's probably a good idea.

Tbh, no, you're the type of mongrel that argues semantics for 30 minutes. You came into this thread saying some dumbass shit while everyone else knew what I meant. So kindly, fuck yourselves.

 

[Tyranomaster]

Something I haven't seen discussed yet is another aspect of having a publisher, which is taking things off your plate. If you ONLY want to write new stories, and the publisher will reduce your workload of things that aren't new stories, then it can also be worth it. Many don't reduce your work load by much, but it could be worth it if you have a lot of stories you want to write, and you hate dealing with the peripherals.
Added note that RR is partnering up with smaller publishing houses and you can apply for contract through them. It might end up being ok. I do like that they aren't doing it inhouse, and instead are just trying to help establish a pipeline for already successful stories.

 

[georgelee5786]

Is this really true? If you put as much effort into trying to publish your story into marketing or advertising, I feel like you would have the same odds. At least Webnovel would accept most anyone, but traditional publishers will not.

Perhaps, but I am not rolling in money these days, nor for the foreseeable future

 

[RepresentingCaution]

I just need someone to take ideas directly out of my brain when I am trying to sleep, exhausted from parenting, and know that the kid is going to kick me awake in 3-4 hours even if I fall asleep immediately.

 

[Lysander_Works]

What about the printing shop idea? You can pay to print your novel.

We need more locations like these. KDP printing is my only option for the moment, and even then only black and white due to their BS.

I think there was some sort of website that allowed us to do this and order it for ourselves (have it printed in color, packaged, and shipped to own address ~ the idea being to physically sell it to another in-person). It's also perfect if you just want a physical copy, but it will cost a small fee. Anyone know of the site I'm thinking of?

 

[Tyranomaster]

If you publish to Amazon, you take all of the loss yourself. You have to pay for promoting and advertisement. If you went to a traditional publisher, they will take the losses on them, but they won't promote you or publish you if you aren't already proven. Either that, or you have to know somebody.

Say that you were big enough online for a traditional publisher to want to do it. At that point, why would you? You are just giving over rights for free. The best thing you get other than losing money is a printing of your book. Is that the reason? If the reason is that you want a printed book, can't you go to a printing shop and get one for family/close friends?

Upon re-reading your post, there are a few misunderstandings I think about how Amazon publishing works (either that, or I misunderstand them). Yes, you'd need to pay for your own advertising, if you want it. If you don't want it however, and just want to put it up tagged so it can be found, then that's an option too. The Amazon rate to "buy copies" of your own book will almost always be much cheaper than going to a printing shop, due to economies of scale. It has it's own requirements (size, format, quality), which a printing shop wouldn't, but for a little more effort, the book could then be purchased by anyone.

The big reason you want a publisher imo is to handle all the tasks of finding quality people. Finding an editor, finding an artist, finding a formatter, finding a market analyst, etc. So, if you're just publishing for yourself and a few friends, there isn't really a reason to go through a publishing house. It entirely depends on how valuable you think your own time is as a writer, and how good you think you are at finding people to do those things (or doing them yourself).

No matter how good of an online author you believe you are, the peripheral tasks related to selling a book are more important. If you're super famous like King or Sanderson, then you don't need marketing anymore really, but if you aren't them, then a publisher offers a path where you can keep writing while the publisher does all the non-writing work around actually making your story publishable.

Someone already made a thread a few days ago with a complaint about being unable to easily edit their manuscript for something they've published. Thus is a reality for books once published.

 

[theInmara]

We need more locations like these. KDP printing is my only option for the moment, and even then only black and white due to their BS.

I think there was some sort of website that allowed us to do this and order it for ourselves (have it printed in color, packaged, and shipped to own address ~ the idea being to physically sell it to another in-person). It's also perfect if you just want a physical copy, but it will cost a small fee. Anyone know of the site I'm thinking of?

lulu.com is the one we use

we do recommend them if you want print-on-demand self publishing

they also allow you to set up a shop page where other people can order your book, and offer some other publishing and marketing services

when working with them, they bill themselves as a printer and distributor, an imprint, while you are legally your own publisher

 

[DeepWater]

If you have a big audience, you might as well publish on Amazon. You'll make a lot more if you've got a presence on RR, too. It's basically free money.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Upon re-reading your post, there are a few misunderstandings I think about how Amazon publishing works (either that, or I misunderstand them). Yes, you'd need to pay for your own advertising, if you want it. If you don't want it however, and just want to put it up tagged so it can be found, then that's an option too. The Amazon rate to "buy copies" of your own book will almost always be much cheaper than going to a printing shop, due to economies of scale. It has it's own requirements (size, format, quality), which a printing shop wouldn't, but for a little more effort, the book could then be purchased by anyone.

The big reason you want a publisher imo is to handle all the tasks of finding quality people. Finding an editor, finding an artist, finding a formatter, finding a market analyst, etc. So, if you're just publishing for yourself and a few friends, there isn't really a reason to go through a publishing house. It entirely depends on how valuable you think your own time is as a writer, and how good you think you are at finding people to do those things (or doing them yourself).

No matter how good of an online author you believe you are, the peripheral tasks related to selling a book are more important. If you're super famous like King or Sanderson, then you don't need marketing anymore really, but if you aren't them, then a publisher offers a path where you can keep writing while the publisher does all the non-writing work around actually making your story publishable.

Someone already made a thread a few days ago with a complaint about being unable to easily edit their manuscript for something they've published. Thus is a reality for books once published.

I think for many they will shrink their audience by publishing on Amazon. If Amazon got an exclusivity for my novel, it would shrink. I would lose all of my readers, and if I don't want to pay, I have to advertise by posting on my profile or something. How many readers on SH would buy it? Would I gain more readers through Amazon like this?

I say this because I recommended a friend to post on patreon, and they quickly built up to $100 a month. That number will even grow, but if I published on Amazon, what would happen without paying for advertising? Would I be able to even make that much a month?

I'm asking because I don't know. That's why I feel it's the inverse of the situation you describe. First, I would have to have many readers before I could ever make money on Amazon.

 

[Tyranomaster]

I think for many they will shrink their audience by publishing on Amazon. If Amazon got an exclusivity for my novel, it would shrink. I would lose all of my readers, and if I don't want to pay, I have to advertise by posting on my profile or something. How many readers on SH would buy it? Would I gain more readers through Amazon like this?

I say this because I recommended a friend to post on patreon, and they quickly built up to $100 a month. That number will even grow, but if I published on Amazon, what would happen without paying for advertising? Would I be able to even make that much a month?

I'm asking because I don't know. That's why I feel it's the inverse of the situation you describe. First, I would have to have many readers before I could ever make money on Amazon.

Amazon kindle unlimited requires exclusivity, but just publishing on Amazon KDP puts no restrictions on you as an author. It's free, and just lets you sell physical and e-book copies. I intend to send signed copies of my book to my most loyal of patrons once I publish there.

Now, I do plan on also going to Kindle Unlimited with the full rewrite, but it's such a massive change from the original WN that I shouldn't need to take the original down (unless they've recently changed the requirements.)

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

I'm just here to monitor a potential drama out of someone misunderstanding what our resident vampire meant, but seeing how it was resolved...

Yeah, if I had the chance, I'd be okay publishing my works. Like SaiGe, I'd also be lenient with contracts; less stress, more time to write and draw my stuff.