The male mc should always have the best friend/bro

CrimsonGenius

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And not always be surrounded by love interests. It’s like almost every anime the mc doesn’t have the best bro. That bro sometimes is the comic relief. I don’t know if it’s in stories, but I see a bunch of harems and I have to assume the best friend is absent.

Why is there a lack of close male bros in fiction?
 
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There are plenty of stories without harems, with best friends, etc. It's just not common in animes and manga because only the most popular stories make it to that point. If you want a change to happen, support the stories that have the type of content you want to see more of.
 

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People forgot that it's perfectly fine for the bro to outshine the protagonist:

 

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Honestly I'm curious for it too. Why is everyone besides mc always so one dimensional? There's no nuance to their loyalty to mc, he's their friend so they flock to him 24/7. They don't have their own goals/intention/ or even life beyond that of their screen time with mc.


It's less obvious in western fiction, where only short instances of story is cherry picked. After and before conflict is left to reader's imagination.


My first assumption was that authors didn't have the time to spend building several side characters at length. But seeing how long certain series go (*cough* MGA, ED, etc...) i think it's just plain laziness and lack of interest in doing anything beyond the success formula.


They know the market is already capped, being more or less creative won't garner them any more benefits so they just regurgitate the same old plot and get by. The degeneration of older readers and frequency of fresher readers to the genre is the sole reason they are still able to keep at it.


Once the fresh blood runs dry, when the older ones are forgotten.... That's when they'll have to revamp their style.



Western...don't get me started. Most if not all seem like for young teens, the ones for mature audience seem like propaganda. Only one I feel was really close to my liking was Paulo Coelho's the Alchemist....it was just perfect. The journey, the transformation... every character mc comes across is written with such depth that just one appearance has such impact on the story.
 

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This is true. Almost all anime is one guy and four girls minimum nowadays, especially the new ones. But if you're looking for anime with authentic characters and relations, try; Wind Breaker, Loser Ranger, Kaiju no 8, Dead Demons Destructions, Yatagarasu and Shangri-la Frontier. These are the few I've sat down to watch and have enjoyed. Of course, you'll notice that these shows are very different from the main stream now in that their MC's aren't the only ones capable of progressing the plot or even adding to it. That only goes to show the state of Power Fantasy media, you can't have a power fantasy if you're sharing power I guess, lol. But there's also exceptions to the rule like Mushoku Tensei which is controversial in whether it's a trash anime or god tier in its execution, I'm on the latter side since I absolutely crave character journeys. Anyway, those are my recommendations.

As far as it goes in written fiction, well, you'll find that writers are inspired by the media they consume so, no judgement there if high school dxd is an author's holy grail. That said, I've totally got recommendations for written fiction that do have an authentic supporting cast, lemme know if you want any.
 

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because two men can't hug without being called homosexual anymore

That snide always existed. it's just been given a political twist now. A friendly banter of calling each other gay is nothing, it only turned bad when people mushed it with real acts of harassment of closet gays.

It's difficult to put in words what exactly is harassment or just friendly jest. If it's a form of bullying or taunting by strangers who are not your friends then yes it needs to be brought to attention. But in a close knit group, where you know they don't intend bad then it's not for the public to put it on stake for judgement.


This is where both the sides go wrong. One side just shows the harassments and call for more action...the other side show the misuse of this cause in otherwise unneeded situations.


No side is right or wrong. They are just plain stupid and full of ego to accept the existence of others' reality and theirs at the same time. It's either fully this or fully that, never both to some degree and something else all together.


This is only solved when social maturity is reached over generations. This global rant stations that we call social media is completely new to our species, we are like monkeys with guns, no perception of what our actions entail just fully absorbed in the current adrenaline rush.


This was so in the olden days of wars waged by every new ruler, when bloodshed was so common people didn't realise what they were doing for their species. Only when modern society awoke to the threat of nuclear war, only when science showed the fruits of logic and rationality, did we realise war is bad. Now we play proxy wars, shadow conflicts beyond the eyes of "public" to prevent sparks litting the whole keg. We deny the existence of conflicts, we play double roles of condemning military actions while at the same time funding them from behind. We wage war...in a very matured way (compared to before)



Give social media a couple more decades and we'll see the maturation of several issues, the right/left, this or that will grow both more distinct and homogenous. We'll know what it is to be done for most of interactions online/global across cultures and borders.

It might come at the cost of the freedom we have today in the online space. It will be a whole lot more regulated. Yet at the same time bigger, and more intrinsic to our society. One major change might be that anonymity is stripped fully, which actually doesn't exist anyway but then the few who knew to swim the oceans hunting anyone they wished for will be lot less powerful than now. Sure the dark underbelly isn't going anywhere, might as well be bigger and twisted then now but for the general public the internet will be lot more real and genuine to their actual face to face interactions.
 

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That snide always existed. it's just been given a political twist now. A friendly banter of calling each other gay is nothing, it only turned bad when people mushed it with real acts of harassment of closet gays.

It's difficult to put in words what exactly is harassment or just friendly jest. If it's a form of bullying or taunting by strangers who are not your friends then yes it needs to be brought to attention. But in a close knit group, where you know they don't intend bad then it's not for the public to put it on stake for judgement.


This is where both the sides go wrong. One side just shows the harassments and call for more action...the other side show the misuse of this cause in otherwise unneeded situations.


No side is right or wrong. They are just plain stupid and full of ego to accept the existence of others' reality and theirs at the same time. It's either fully this or fully that, never both to some degree and something else all together.


This is only solved when social maturity is reached over generations. This global rant stations that we call social media is completely new to our species, we are like monkeys with guns, no perception of what our actions entail just fully absorbed in the current adrenaline rush.


This was so in the olden days of wars waged by every new ruler, when bloodshed was so common people didn't realise what they were doing for their species. Only when modern society awoke to the threat of nuclear war, only when science showed the fruits of logic and rationality, did we realise war is bad. Now we play proxy wars, shadow conflicts beyond the eyes of "public" to prevent sparks litting the whole keg. We deny the existence of conflicts, we play double roles of condemning military actions while at the same time funding them from behind. We wage war...in a very matured way (compared to before)



Give social media a couple more decades and we'll see the maturation of several issues, the right/left, this or that will grow both more distinct and homogenous. We'll know what it is to be done for most of interactions online/global across cultures and borders.

It might come at the cost of the freedom we have today in the online space. It will be a whole lot more regulated. Yet at the same time bigger, and more intrinsic to our society. One major change might be that anonymity is stripped fully, which actually doesn't exist anyway but then the few who knew to swim the oceans hunting anyone they wished for will be lot less powerful than now. Sure the dark underbelly isn't going anywhere, might as well be bigger and twisted then now but for the general public the internet will be lot more real and genuine to their actual face to face interactions.
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That snide always existed. it's just been given a political twist now. A friendly banter of calling each other gay is nothing, it only turned bad when people mushed it with real acts of harassment of closet gays.

It's difficult to put in words what exactly is harassment or just friendly jest. If it's a form of bullying or taunting by strangers who are not your friends then yes it needs to be brought to attention. But in a close knit group, where you know they don't intend bad then it's not for the public to put it on stake for judgement.


This is where both the sides go wrong. One side just shows the harassments and call for more action...the other side show the misuse of this cause in otherwise unneeded situations.


No side is right or wrong. They are just plain stupid and full of ego to accept the existence of others' reality and theirs at the same time. It's either fully this or fully that, never both to some degree and something else all together.


This is only solved when social maturity is reached over generations. This global rant stations that we call social media is completely new to our species, we are like monkeys with guns, no perception of what our actions entail just fully absorbed in the current adrenaline rush.


This was so in the olden days of wars waged by every new ruler, when bloodshed was so common people didn't realise what they were doing for their species. Only when modern society awoke to the threat of nuclear war, only when science showed the fruits of logic and rationality, did we realise war is bad. Now we play proxy wars, shadow conflicts beyond the eyes of "public" to prevent sparks litting the whole keg. We deny the existence of conflicts, we play double roles of condemning military actions while at the same time funding them from behind. We wage war...in a very matured way (compared to before)



Give social media a couple more decades and we'll see the maturation of several issues, the right/left, this or that will grow both more distinct and homogenous. We'll know what it is to be done for most of interactions online/global across cultures and borders.

It might come at the cost of the freedom we have today in the online space. It will be a whole lot more regulated. Yet at the same time bigger, and more intrinsic to our society. One major change might be that anonymity is stripped fully, which actually doesn't exist anyway but then the few who knew to swim the oceans hunting anyone they wished for will be lot less powerful than now. Sure the dark underbelly isn't going anywhere, might as well be bigger and twisted then now but for the general public the internet will be lot more real and genuine to their actual face to face interactions.
TL;DR the future is a cyberpunk dystopia except it's extremely lame and without the cybernetic implants and twitter will kill control you unless you touch grass
 

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And not always be surrounded by love interests. It’s like almost every anime the mc doesn’t have the best bro. That bro sometimes is the comic relief. I don’t know if it’s in stories, but I see a bunch of harems and I have to assume the best friend is absent.

Why is there a lack of close male bros in fiction?
I noticed this trend in most media. They're cutting down the supporting cast whenever possible. My guess would be this correlates to the diminishing attention span of people.

bc
before : masterpieces, good authors, MC = MC (a epic-ish blood story), readers cant self insert bc of how different MC is but that its charm (like HP or LoTR or Doupo Cangqiong or Soul Land)
now : lower quality, less as good authors, MC = the reader/author (wow so cool, he/she is me), they want to self insert. One or the other.





ps : its also why chinese authors are all forced to write a "handsome, mega handsome, most handsome than everyone around (even though he is a beggar or worse)" MC.
Even some, doing a jab (4th wall break) at readers
he is handsome, the most handsome around, but not as handsome as the readers of course
pps : one fav author once ranted about this phenomenon (i really should stop be lazy and find it back with how often i mention this)
 

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bc
before : masterpieces, good authors, MC = MC (a epic-ish blood story), readers cant self insert bc of how different MC is but that its charm (like HP or LoTR or Doupo Cangqiong or Soul Land)
now : lower quality, less as good authors, MC = the reader/author (wow so cool, he/she is me), they want to self insert. One or the other.





ps : its also why chinese authors are all forced to write a "handsome, mega handsome, most handsome than everyone around (even though he is a beggar or worse)" MC.
Even some, doing a jab (4th wall break) at readers

pps : one fav author once ranted about this phenomenon (i really should stop be lazy and find it back with how often i mention this)
That explains all the hyper attractive, nearly feminine males I see on Webtoons.
 
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