Tell Others Why Do You Rate It With ____ Stars? (Rehaul On Rating And Review System?)

[OneSixSeven]

The rating system can be sometimes good and bad.

Bad because of trolls, individuals who are not fond of a certain genre and types of characters or whatever reason such as " I rate this story with 1 story because the author's story is better than mine!", " I rate this story with 1 story because the author's story is better than mine!", "I hate harem!", "I hate yaoi!", etc as long those reasons are very invalid and childish.

My proposal I believe might lessen this. It should and must be able to lock down 'crabs' / trolls who own multiple ScribbleHub accounts and bombard it with 1 star.

I believe there should be a log, a mark on the chapter, and a date with user's username on it. Whether they use disable viewing of profile in their setting or not, they'll not be able to post multiple 'reviews' on same story in same chapter because of being 'tracked' unless they edit it which has a mark of "date of edit". I might as well call it a chapter review or a better term for that in public display (with no option of hiding the review by a user who reviewed it.)

There should be a track of review too (Review History) for user panel.

It looks like something like this:

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User's Review

Chapter	1
Rating	3.5 Stars
Date	March 19, 2020
Review	The first chapter is good for me. Everything and the idea is good but the problem is that the author used a cliche Fox Hunting Mobs, Clan Council and "West" Empire, commonly found in Naruto fandom on this site except the story is an original one, not original character-centric fanfiction. If only the author did not use those cliches and reused types but with original ideas, maybe I would have evaluated the story chapter itself differently.
Chapter	2
Rating	4 stars
Date	April 3, 2020
Review	It seems the author took note of what I said in my previous review. The details of the chapter itself felt like watching movie including those 'scenes'. I feel sorry for that character because of being manipulated by that guy. I know it's a fictional story but I can relate because I experienced that too in real life and it really broke my heart. I don't know what to put here anymore lol, but this chapter is full of feels. Others might think same thoughts as I. It's so feel-ish. I hope the MC will be able to recover from that. Fine job.

 

[aree]

I hate this but Royal Road's review system is a step up from our's. It doesn't solve the troll issue but at least it gives people a platform to provide reasons for their ratings.

that is true

 

[binarysoap]

One-shots and short stories will get comments. That will be easier to differentiate than a single review for 9 different one-shots.

Um what?
One-shots/short stories are stand alone. I don't get what you mean by a single review for 9 different one-shots. How do you even do that? Also reviews are for potential readers, so having comments won't help at all in that front.

Also, some people post like 10k word or more chapters, so 1 chapter/month is actually a decent pace.
You did mention the words published, but one-shots/short stories may still never reach the word quota

 

[AliceShiki]

I hate this but Royal Road's review system is a step up from our's. It doesn't solve the troll issue but at least it gives people a platform to provide reasons for their ratings.

What's the difference?

One-shots and short stories will get comments. That will be easier to differentiate than a single review for 9 different one-shots.



For those authors who publish once a month, I don't think review hold much value to them. (Sorry if I offended someone.) They won't be needing much encouragement.

P.S. then it can be done depending on the words published. But it will complicate things. so it will be better to go with chapters.

Reviews aren't encouragement, reviews are reviews, they're meant to provide an analyze of the story to other readers and feedback to the author.

Encouragement is making comments in the chapters to discuss the novel and thanking the author for them, as well as supporting the author's patreon if possible.

 

[aree]

Reviews aren't encouragement, reviews are reviews, they're meant to provide an analyze of the story to other readers and feedback to the author.

Encouragement is making comments in the chapters to discuss the novel and thanking the author for them, as well as supporting the author's patreon if possible.

I was talking with respect to Ral's comment

Also, the early ratings tends to be five-star ratings given by people to encourage the authors.

@AliceShiki

Let's not talk about how thousand of people will encourage or criticise an author. They can do whatever they want. They can comment, review or donate. Nobody is going to tell them you can only encourage them in a comment and give feedback in a review. It's their own choice. They can do whatever they want.

One-shots/short stories are stand alone. I don't get what you mean by a single review for 9 different one-shots. How do you even do that? Also reviews are for potential readers, so having comments won't help at all in that front.

@binarysoap what I am talking about the problem when one publishes multiple short stories under one cover. Say they named it "A bunch of short stories.". Out of the 9 stories, two of them is ok, one is worst, 5 of them is good and the last one is excellent. So one review will never be enough for all the stories.

The problem remains. When one is reviewing they tend to give a review based on their own prejudice, rather than giving a brief overview or thinking about future readers. It is as @OneSixSeven had said

Bad because of trolls, individuals who are not fond of a certain genre and types of characters or whatever reason such as " I rate this story with 1 story because the author's story is better than mine!", " I rate this story with 1 story because the author's story is better than mine!", "I hate harem!", "I hate yaoi!", etc as long those reasons are very invalid and childish.

Let's not talk about QI but in RR you can rate different aspect of the story, like grammar, world-building, character building etc. That is a good way of giving feedback.

I think it should have a system chapter-based rating system (Like 167 had suggested) that will contribute to the overall rating of the book along with the reviews. Then the rating system won't be needed (Like @Ral had suggested.). Also even if one get no review, just by the chapter rating system will help the book get rated. (That will solve Aliceshiki's problem). Then it won't any problem to those he would publish multiple short-stories under one cover.

What do you think?

 

[AliceShiki]

@binarysoap what I am talking about the problem when one publishes multiple short stories under one cover. Say they named it "A bunch of short stories.". Out of the 9 stories, two of them is ok, one is worst, 5 of them is good and the last one is excellent. So one review will never be enough for all the stories.

One Shot anthologies of sort aren't the norm I think. But in those cases reviews are indeed useless.

I was thinking of the more normal case of having one story having a single cover for itself.

 

[aree]

One Shot anthologies of sort aren't the norm I think. But in those cases reviews are indeed useless.

I was thinking of the more normal case of having one story having a single cover for itself.

with a chapter based rating system, along with the review system, it can solve the problem for one or multiple stories under a single cover.

 

[AliceShiki]

with a chapter based rating system, along with the review system, it can solve the problem for one or multiple stories under a single cover.

Expecting per chapter reviews to happen is... Silly tbh. Even if it was implemented, it won't be used, who will make a proper review for each and every chapter?

Just use comments for that.

 

[binarysoap]

but in RR you can rate different aspect of the story, like grammar, world-building, character building etc. That is a good way of giving feedback.

This idea I would support although doing it exactly might run into copyright problems, although I know a few who basically do this in their review and explain why they would give x/5 for each category.

I think it should have a system chapter-based rating system (Like 167 had suggested) that will contribute to the overall rating of the book along with the reviews. Then the rating system won't be needed (Like @Ral had suggested.). Also even if one get no review, just by the chapter rating system will help the book get rated. (That will solve Aliceshiki's problem). Then it won't any problem to those he would publish multiple short-stories under one cover.

I honestly am not sure exactly what 167 is suggesting, but chapter based rating systems sound like a poor idea. If you look at most stories on SH, a grand majority of them have exactly 0 reviews, and the highest review count is 24. There are lots of reasons why people don't leave reviews, but making it necessary to leave a review before rating means that now almost every novel has no rating, since no one wants to spend the time reviewing, and if they think it's bad, they'll even less want to review, since it's forced to be public.
I'm just going to assume one of the roadblocks on leaving reviews is the effort needed, and chapter reviews are going to be extremely effort intensive, especially if one wants to leave a review often.

So no, chapter-based rating system is horrible.

 

[aree]

Expecting per chapter reviews to happen is... Silly tbh. Even if it was implemented, it won't be used, who will make a proper review for each and every chapter?

Just use comments for that.

Chapter based rating system, not review

 

[binarysoap]

Chapter based rating system, not review

We have favorites if people want to support chapters.
You mentioned like 167 had suggested, and 167 wanted chapter based rating system that needs a review for every rating, so that's where misunderstandings happened.

Chapter based rating system is not good, since if you are going to sum all the reviews of the chapters up and divide to get an average, there's a very big loophole of rating inflation/deflation. Someone could rate every chapter a 5, and that will overwhelm the person who genuinely think the story is bad, leaves the 1 star rating in the beginning, and dropped it.

 

[aree]

it is not a chapter-based review system, but you will just rate the chapter, while you favourite it. No need to write anything. that will be without hassle. So it will be chapter-based, rather than whole story-based. And you will do a review if you want to rate the book.

 

[aree]

We have favorites if people want to support chapters.
You mentioned like 167 had suggested, and 167 wanted chapter based rating system that needs a review for every rating, so that's where misunderstandings happened.

Chapter based rating system is not good, since if you are going to sum all the reviews of the chapters up and divide to get an average, there's a very big loophole of rating inflation/deflation. Someone could rate every chapter a 5, and that will overwhelm the person who genuinely think the story is bad, leaves the 1 star rating in the beginning, and dropped it.

that's true that could be one problem.

 

[Ral]

I'm just going to assume one of the roadblocks on leaving reviews is the effort needed, and chapter reviews are going to be extremely effort intensive, especially if one wants to leave a review often.

Effort needed . . . Hah!

I mean. After reading a chapter you first have to go back to the front page of the story. Then you have to scroll down past the synopsis, genres, and tags. Then you have to switch from Table of Contents to Reviews. After that, you have to click the Write a Review button. Then you have to write in a very ugly and tiny dialogue box.

It is just horrible, like one of the worst I've seen. The Write a Review button is hidden and to see it, after you read the story, you have to go through obstacles; and when you did get into the dialogue box, you find it not conductive for any long or detailed review because of the very limited space.

And it is just ugly. It is like SH doesn't want you to use the review function or they have forgotten its existence.

"Effort needed" is an understatement.

 

[BenJepheneT]

the best system one would ever possibly get is this one. don't look at its disadvantages and think of it as just that. see them as trade offs.

 

[OliviaMyriad]

One-shots and short stories will get comments. That will be easier to differentiate than a single review for 9 different one-shots.



For those authors who publish once a month, I don't think review hold much value to them. (Sorry if I offended someone.) They won't be needing much encouragement.

P.S. then it can be done depending on the words published. But it will complicate things. so it will be better to go with chapters.

This is just bad logic. Please look up the definition of "review" and then reread your thread comment to see if it makes sense.

 

[OliviaMyriad]

Effort needed . . . Hah!

I mean. After reading a chapter you first have to go back to the front page of the story. Then you have to scroll down past the synopsis, genres, and tags. Then you have to switch from Table of Contents to Reviews. After that, you have to click the Write a Review button. Then you have to write in a very ugly and tiny dialogue box.

It is just horrible, like one of the worst I've seen. The Write a Review button is hidden and to see it, after you read the story, you have to go through obstacles; and when you did get into the dialogue box, you find it not conductive for any long or detailed review because of the very limited space.

And it is just ugly. It is like SH doesn't want you to use the review function or they have forgotten its existence.

"Effort needed" is an understatement.

While a lot of your complaints are more opinion than fact, it's kind of true. Perhaps there should be a review button near the top of the page? A button like here, maybe:

Or perhaps the review should be here to make it more accessible:

 

[aree]

This is just bad logic. Please look up the definition of "review" and then reread your thread comment to see if it makes sense.

I am sorry if I have offended you.

 

[Ral]

While a lot of your complaints are more opinion than fact, it's kind of true. Perhaps there should be a review button near the top of the page? A button like here, maybe:
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Or perhaps the review should be here to make it more accessible:
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I'm actually exaggerating just for fun. A joke in a sense. But, I do really think SH has the worst infrastructure so far. I never encountered a site so far where the means to review is hidden or requires so much hassle. Royal Road has all of its review features out in the open:

Webnovel has its Write a Review button out in the open.

And they also allow you to review after you finish reading the story:

Novel Updates, though I think is also kinda bad by putting it at the very bottom at least have its review feature out in the open:

I really don't understand why SH is designed this way. Many of its features are just so unintuitive and just bad. To be honest, to me, Scribble Hub overall is just poorly designed.

 

[Deleted member 2533]

Hey guys, I got an idea. I know Tony-sama will read this (maybe).

Since Scribblehub is more of a community-based site, author-reader interactive... Why don't we make use of NUFFIES Banking System ? Like when the readers rate/comment/review it gives the author Nuffies. Authors will earn Nuffies from those in order to post a chapter. Yeah, I know. It will be tight for authors but on the good side, for me, it will make sure their story is at least 'readable' quality. I'm a voracious reader ya'know.

Now I'm thinking of different values for ratings, comment, and review. So that even if it's 1 star rating, at least it gave you Nuffies to post more of your story.

Well tis jus an opinion and a hopeless dream~ take it with a teaspoonful of salt XD Lmao.

 

[Deleted member 2533]

I'm actually exaggerating just for fun. A joke in a sense. But, I do really think SH has the worst infrastructure so far. I never encountered a site so far where the means to review is hidden or requires so much hassle. Royal Road has all of its review features out in the open:
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Webnovel has its Write a Review button out in the open.
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And they also allow you to review after you finish reading the story:
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Novel Updates, though I think is also kinda bad by putting it at the very bottom at least have its review feature out in the open:
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I really don't understand why SH is designed this way. Many of its features are just so unintuitive and just bad. To be honest, to me, Scribble Hub overall is just poorly designed.

This.

As a reader, I'd like to check out the REVIEW section first before going to invest my time in reading a story. This way I'll know if I am the right audience (if it is to my taste).