Self learning a new language as a baby in an isekai

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.
 

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.
If you’re a baby you could learn through exposure. Actually, even if you’re not a baby you could still learn through exposure pretty quickly.

You just have to constantly use the language, so talk to people constantly, try to think in the language etc.
 

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.
If you’re a baby you could learn through exposure. Actually, even if you’re not a baby you could still learn through exposure pretty quickly.

You just have to constantly use the language, so talk to people constantly, try to think in the language etc.
 

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Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.
You give up and stay in the forest.
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Yeah it's just you listen and listen and listen. I learned Japanese just by watching subtitled anime, and eventually my mind would link certain words to the sounds being produced by the voice actors. One word at a time, I learned the language.

Now heres the thing. As someone learning a language in a new world as a baby, there wouldn't be any subtitles, so making the connection would be more difficult. However, it wouldn't be impossible. Say someone is holding an apple and you hear them say a phrase. Then say you keep hearing people use that same phrase over and over while pointing to apples. You'd eventually figure out, ok this means apple. It would probably take a long time and many different experiences, however you've got 2 or 3 years as a baby to learn. Furthermore, the more you learn, the easier it will be to learn. Once you learn basic words and grammar, learning newer words will be easier and easier.
 

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.
I'm regards to your latter question - you don't. Individuals who don't learn language have no concept of it. They can be taught it, but with great difficulty. It can take years for them to realize abstract signs or sounds represent ideas.

Prior to learning language, they have greatly subdued mental freedom. Those who have gone through this and actually developed language have said they can hardly even remember what it was like before they learned it. Language had such a powerful effect on not just communicating with others but just organizing their own thoughts that pre language life is incomprehensible to them -

Kind of like how the rest of us can't remember much before we started talking as children.
 

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Short answer: with an adult/teenager reincarnated mind learning a new language using (most likely) completely different sounds to your birth-tongue (in your pre-reincarnation/transmigration life) is simply impossible, you'd at most be able to speak at the proficiency of a twelve year-old in your 20s and 30s.

Long answer: this article: https://www.english-online.at/science/language-learners/babies-are-good-language-learners.htm has easy to understand words that explain why learning a language as a baby without a reincarnated/transmigrated mind would be a piece of cake (if you're provided with enough samples ofcourse, you'll only learn a language by hearing and imitating it as a child, or just do some magic thingies like a skill, or write about a world where there is only one language 'common' or something like that (absolutely bland though for a story))

If you want a slightly longer article, read this: https://www.linguisticsociety.org/r...through interaction,is being used around them.
It's in American English, but there aren't any difficult words.

The biggest problem is that the mind used as a child to learn language is completely different from the mind used by teenagers and adults, there are a lot of things that change during your growth and a lot hasn't even been understood by scientists yet, so feel free to add some fantasy/ficion elements.

Or just make your character one with an eidetic memory and some decent intelligence, problem solved.


Solution?
If you were to be reincarnated as a baby while not exactly remembering your previous live(s) and gradually recovering your memories while maturing your mind and getting a lot of exposure form your (new) parents, then there wouldn't be any difficulties in learning the new language, because you as a baby should have the same physical abilities as your new parents to reproduce the sounds from the new language.

Cheers.
 

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So long as you have a prior language you can learn a new one relatively fast via association of objects and words. Then figure out the grammar system from the arrangement of known words.

If you know no language at all, you can't even think in words. Instead you thing in images. It lead to deaf people having development issues and people lumping them with the mentally retarded in the past as there was no language for them to learn since hearing people just couldn't figure out how to teach them till about a century ago.
 

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You let your parents, guardians, or whoever is taking care of you teach you. If you don't have someone taking care of you as a baby, you're shit out of luck. Oh, and please don't scream when we are changing your diaper. The more you scream, the less you'll be able to listen to our words.
 

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.
Also, some more words on your last comment.

What you are referring to is feral children, which has way more difficult things than merely not having language. These children, raised by animals, may never be able to learn or understand language, having adapted the ways of animals.

Even in the good cases, like a girl in Russia - she was very young, having been talking for a bit, but then her parents abandoned her, and she started living with dogs. She began acting like a dog, walking on all fours and such. When she was rescued from that, while she was able to relearn language, she still was unable to stop doing things like panting like a dog.

While Disney's Jungle Book or Tarzan depicts feral children as oh so interesting, they are really just depressing.
 

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You let your parents, guardians, or whoever is taking care of you teach you. If you don't have someone taking care of you as a baby, you're shit out of luck. Oh, and please don't scream when we are changing your diaper. The more you scream, the less you'll be able to listen to our words.
i wonder why, it felt like you're having a personal experience in changing baby diapers.
 

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Suppose you were reincarnated as a baby in a different world where the language is completely different from what you know. How would you go about learning the local language on your own, assuming that the world isn't very developed and books are quite rare?

Also, how would you go about learning a language, if you don't understand any language? Ex: You grew up in the forest by yourself.

Note: This is research (?) for a possible WN that I may write, in the future. I would like to know how a person would overcome the language barrier in an isekai. I don't like how many novels just gloss over or give the MC a translation skill, so I would like inputs to make my novel, more realistic.

1st off, babies do it all the time. So, you should look at how real human babies learn language.

Really, if you have put real study into how learning languages works, you find out there are only 2 things a baby has that gives them the ability to learn their first language that other people learning a second language don't have. First is necessity. They have no other option. So, if they want to communicate, picking up the words their parents are teaching them is the only option.

Second is the patience of their teachers. People who are teaching a child to speak expect that the child doesn't know much yet and therefore are patient enough to teach them a few words at a time. People will also go out of their way to teach the child individual words by showing them objects and then naming it for the child. Also, if the child gets something wrong, the parent will very calmly correct them.

People say that babies and children somehow have an ability to learn new languages that adults do not have. This is a completely false rumor developed to satisfy lazy people trying to excuse themselves. The truth is, an adult who is dedicated to learning a new language can learn it in only about 25% of the time it would take a child if they really put their mind to it. It takes a child around 4 years to gain a fair degree of real mastery over their native language. An adult can learn the same amount in 4 semesters at a college. (AKA, 1 year.) Neither one has true mastery over the language after this amount of time, but both can speak fairly reliably to a native speaker of the language and express their ideas clearly.

Also, shameless self-plug, I actually already went the exact same route you are talking about here. I usually recommend taking tips from other books that do the same thing. It makes me pretty excited that I actually have the chance to recommend my own for this purpose for once. (I also made my own custom language partially based off Sumarian for the purpose of this story, and in the first 20 chapters which take place before I do a bit of a time-skip I have all the natives in my story talk only in the native language and then afterwards I translate only the specific words that my MC has learned.)
 
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As a baby its easier to pick up languages I've heard. Everything is new to them, they learn to adapt to transform their situation. Like watching adults walk and they start to try stand or talking. I think more accepting and easily adaptable to changes, because everything is new to them, and they need to learn some of that to get around eventually so they can start from making gaga noises to pronounceable words.

However, I would think that if you were reincarnated but your previous life you were already an adult/teen like someone stated, you may have some difficulties adjusting because you carry part of your existing memories already. The mindset is not a baby, the body is a baby if you're reincarnated but still retain memories of your former life. Which means, it can vary how well you pick it up like say a 40 year old reincarnated into that of a baby but still has some faint memories of a 40 year old, it may be harder for them to learn.

And honestly speaking, it can really varies. Some people can pick up several languages as adults in their life and they love it, while others can have classes of another language and still retain barely anything from it.
 
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