Regarding modern technology (computers, robotics and suits, etc.) in an advanced Science-Fantasy Isekai?

ElijahRyne

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do that, the rest would be lucky to be able to properly use three spells during a battle.
Which is why they will use auxiliary weapons to help protect themselves. Which gives motivation for the creation of guns.

Also, the argument for wit is to take the philosophy of fighting when you have the advantage, and retreating when you don’t. When simply outgunning an opponent is not a solution, find another way. Let us apply it to a man with a gun v mage situation:

Setting is a street, next to the city’s exit, with a guard watching it. The mage is watching them from a roof top. has the advantage of knowing where the guard is, but does not know their strength in combat, outside of them having a gun. While the guard doesn’t know where the mage is or if they will even meet them, but they know they are an average water mage with no gun shield who is trying to escape.

The mages goal is to escape without alerting the guards. The goal of the guard is to either stop the fleeing mage and/or alert the other guards to the mages location.

The mage grasps their magic focus, which allows them to cast without speaking, and begins channeling their spell. They use a small water ball to knock over a metal garbage can when the wind picked up. The guard is shocked and looked over to the trash can, getting ready to use their walkie-talkie to alert his allies. Only to put their hand down. The mage sighed in relief, can not detect spell use. The mage, more relaxed, began to cast another spell.

A good way to tell wether or not the fog surrounding you is from a spell or not, if the mist comes from above it is typically real and from below it is the work of a spell. The reason being that the fog emanates from the mage, and true fog is just a cloud on the ground.

The mage’s fog slowly spread and fell from the mages hiding point. The mage continued to channel the spell until they could barely see in front of themself. Before doing their best to sneak past the gunman.
 

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Do the Arcanum thing. Magic is useful and available to everyone and their mothers but, fuck with physics in an area.
 

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There's this weird thing about me, if they're to say, roast me, it'd yield a better result in comparison of being cheered on.
Sorry, I know you're trying to put some positive at some setting that usually gives a negative vibe (Science? Nay!), but please : Tell Me Something I Don't Know. Now, rough me up with your harsh speculations!
There's the weird thing about me, since I have a toddler now, I do so many things I don't want to do that when I have the freedom to say no to something that doesn't interest me, such as someone's request for harsh speculations, I do say no.
 

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On topic, I'll say that if you're trying to balance magic and science, you're doing it wrong. You do not need to submit to old, outdated clichés just because they already exist. A hammer is a hammer regardless of whether it's made of metal or mana. If there's some ridiculous restriction like mana not working in the presence of technology, everyone and their mom is going to try and overcome that restriction. Eventually someone will get it right.
someone literally made an entire game based around the concept of magic not working around technology and vice versa



it's an old cliche but the balance does exist, and instead of just brute-forcing the two aspects together, having restrictions does lend for much more potential for themes and ingenious plot points.
 

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someone literally made an entire game based around the concept of magic not working around technology and vice versa



it's an old cliche but the balance does exist, and instead of just brute-forcing the two aspects together, having restrictions does lend for much more potential for themes and ingenious plot points.
It's a cliche because tons of people have done it already. Literally one of the first movies I ever watched as a kid was about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_Dragons

And I've read lots of books that do it and seen movies or games that did it as well. I've seen it so many times, but it's extremely rare to get a story where they're used in harmony.
 

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It's a cliche because tons of people have done it already. Literally one of the first movies I ever watched as a kid was about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_Dragons

And I've read lots of books that do it and seen movies or games that did it as well. I've seen it so many times, but it's extremely rare to get a story where they're used in harmony.
Well they aren't exactly rare either. Just check out the Prometheans from Halo 5. Yes, it's the second worst Halo game but the concept's pretty neat.
 

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Which is why they will use auxiliary weapons to help protect themselves. Which gives motivation for the creation of guns.

Also, the argument for wit is to take the philosophy of fighting when you have the advantage, and retreating when you don’t. When simply outgunning an opponent is not a solution, find another way. Let us apply it to a man with a gun v mage situation:

Setting is a street, next to the city’s exit, with a guard watching it. The mage is watching them from a roof top. has the advantage of knowing where the guard is, but does not know their strength in combat, outside of them having a gun. While the guard doesn’t know where the mage is or if they will even meet them, but they know they are an average water mage with no gun shield who is trying to escape.

The mages goal is to escape without alerting the guards. The goal of the guard is to either stop the fleeing mage and/or alert the other guards to the mages location.

The mage grasps their magic focus, which allows them to cast without speaking, and begins channeling their spell. They use a small water ball to knock over a metal garbage can when the wind picked up. The guard is shocked and looked over to the trash can, getting ready to use their walkie-talkie to alert his allies. Only to put their hand down. The mage sighed in relief, can not detect spell use. The mage, more relaxed, began to cast another spell.

A good way to tell wether or not the fog surrounding you is from a spell or not, if the mist comes from above it is typically real and from below it is the work of a spell. The reason being that the fog emanates from the mage, and true fog is just a cloud on the ground.

The mage’s fog slowly spread and fell from the mages hiding point. The mage continued to channel the spell until they could barely see in front of themself. Before doing their best to sneak past the gunman.
While that's a cool individual example, the mage is still screwed. He can outwit the guards on e or twice, but he's outclassed in nearly everyway. I don't know what type of mage system is being implemented in your example, but assuming it's one that takes years to learn/master, said water-mage is basically just a competent thief. It begs the question of why have magic, if it's something that can be done by regular people. Said example can be done with a rock and smoke bomb.
I was also referencing wars. Assuming large scale, organized fighting.
 

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While that's a cool individual example, the mage is still screwed. He can outwit the guards on e or twice, but he's outclassed in nearly everyway. I don't know what type of mage system is being implemented in your example, but assuming it's one that takes years to learn/master, said water-mage is basically just a competent thief. It begs the question of why have magic, if it's something that can be done by regular people. Said example can be done with a rock and smoke bomb.
I was also referencing wars. Assuming large scale, organized fighting.
I don’t really know why we are keeping up this debate but here we go.
Magic can do practically anything depending on the system being used, so let us use the most overused version, an elemental one. The elements in question will be the Avatar ones + metal and electricity. Let us assume that it takes the same amount of time and 3x the money that it takes to get an engineering degree, with the cost of military training, to become a mage. To become a military mage you need to be able to cast middle level spells with a focus, or some other tool that lowers casting time.

Mages must first be able to use a magical telekinesis to control their element, like the bending system, before they learn spells. I will call this elemental-kenisis. All people can use some sort of elemental-kinesis though it typically can not do more than light a couple of flames, fill a cup of water, blow dust, create a small pit, etc. people who can do more than this are called either mages or benders. Benders as in the ones from Avatar, everything they can do there they can do here 1 in 5 people are benders. Mages are different because they have mana, let’s say 1 in 3 benders is capable of becoming a mage. All people can only use one element.

Spells are cast somatically, but with practice, or when you learn higher level spells, can be cast with a thought, assuming you aren’t using a focus. The somatic part of the spell is used to create the image in your mind of what the spell should do, and the same spell may use different words for different people. Unlike elemental-kinesis, spells use mana to cast. The more you use a spell, the less mana it takes to cast. While elemental-kenisis is basically like another arm. To learn a spell you must have done the spell with your elemental-kenisis before, or in the case of high level spells know how to, in theory, do the spell with elemental-kinesis.

Spells allow the caster to make complex actions with little effort. Yet, everything you can do with a basic spell you can do with elemental-kinesis if you tried, like creating 10 or so fire arrows to attack with. A middle level spell, while still technically possible to do with elemental-kinesis, brings it up a notch, I.E. a fire mage extracting the heat from an explosion. A high tear spell is a dome of fire hot enough to act like a shield against bullets and cool enough on the inside for a group of people to live in.

To learn basic & middle level spells you need to do that spell three times with your elemental-kinesis. To learn a high level spell you must know individual basic and middle level spells that can do parts of the high level spell, before theorizing how to create your high level spell. Once you figured out how to create the spell using the lower level spells you will then cast them and use your elemental-kinesis to mold them into a high level spell.

Lastly, the higher level spells you can cast determines your rank, a low level mage can cast basic spells, a mid level mage can cast middle level spells, and so on for high level mages. A mid level mage can cast basic magic with a thought, or at least as long as it takes to form an image of what they wish to do + the time it takes to preform the spell with their elemental-kinesis. The higher your mage level the faster your reaction time is. A low level mage is at the peak of human ability irl, a mid level mage is 3x that, and a high level mage is 3x that.

There are also items that can help a mage, like mana potions and focuses, but since I don’t want to spend more time adding to this system that I created just for this, for some reason, those are all the items.

Oh, in this system it would cost ~$200,000 usd to train a middle level mage, and it costs the U.S. military ~6.3 million dollars to build a tank. Granted this magic system would probably bring down that cost a bit, but who really cares at this point. And with magic being this useful, those who can use it get an extra bending class every year in their k-12 education that should easily give them enough proficiency to use basic spells. Hell, looking back on this I think that $200,000 is a bit high, but I will stick with it.
Applying this system to modern warfare is easy. A mage can cast a spell that creates an EMP, scrambling enemy electronics. A mage can cast a spell to control some form of weather, which is something we can’t really do now. It isn’t hard to see how they could effectively, and cheaply, block missiles, which is something the US military can’t do. That fact alone would be justification enough, but let’s come up with a bit more. Earth mages creating quick trenches and bunkers, metal and electric mages remotely destroying military equipment. Electric mages can be remote rail guns. There is so much more that could happen, not even mentioning the mage arms race that will happen between competing countries and the fact that benders exist.

Guns, also, won’t be obsolete because it is the best equalizer, only a high level mage can react quick enough to consistently stop bullets. A mid level mage might come prepared with a temporary shield against the, but how much damage can it really take. Can it stop three gun man?
 

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I'm doing it in a superhero universe. IWS is basically a setting with super science and magic.
It is also a funkin' hellhole.
 

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Any kind of "balance" between magic and technology will depend on your magic system, and how deep you're willing to go into how your magic works. If you're thinking of doing something like electricity not working in the presence of magic, like in a previous example, you could just leave it at that, and just say that that's how your world is. If you want to zoom into why electricity doesn't work in the presence of magic, then you might want to think like this:

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Electricity doesn't work in the presence of magic.
What is electricity? It's basically the flow of electrons.
If electricity doesn't work in the presence of magic, then magic somehow stops or restricts the flow of electrons.

What are the ramifications of this?
Any naturally flowing electrons no longer work in the presence of magic. Examples include lightning, plasma, and any natural electromagnets, like the Earth. Any flow of electrons in the presence of magic has to be facilitated and enabled by magic, as electricity no longer flows naturally as it does irl.

Anything that messes with the movement of electrons basically effects any and every chemical change in the universe; chemical changes that include the ones inside the body.

Any ramifications of the introduction of magic depends on how the magic works. The main thing to think about though is how magic interacts with anything, including itself.

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If you want to be more thorough, the amount of questions asked about one thing can serve as percentage zoomed into magic system details.
 
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