[Need help] Unconsciousness vs subconsciousness vs consciousness vs reflex

CheertheSecond

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I am working on a very important part of my power system which involves those terms in the title. Can someone give me a detailed but comprehensible enough for ordinary people to understand?

Are there connection of these features? How they are connected and how they interact with each other.
 

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K5Rakitan is right.

In a lot of psychological texts, "unconscious mind" and "subconscious mind" are used interchangeably. We believe "unconscious mind" is the older term for it.

And another general relationship is that it is strongly believed, with significant evidence to back it up, that the conscious mind is subservient to and even created by the subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind is extremely powerful in relation to it.

However, there are certain executive function overrides and a kind of self awareness that the conscious mind can typically perform that the subconscious mind typically cannot. And you can probably kind of imagine what those things might be by thinking about your own relationship to your own subconscious and how your conscious decision making goes.

But we emphasize "typically" there, because we are a clear exception that proves K5Rakitan's statement about how it varies, especially with neurodivergent people.

We're autistic and we're plural (with functional multiplicity following recover from DID). We are separate people inhabiting the same brain. And we have seen each other do feats of conscious thinking while submerged into what seems to be the subconscious mind to the fronting headmate. That's not supposed to be how it works, but we've seen it and experienced it multiple times throughout our life.

So, you can do a lot of fudgery there if you need to for a specific character.

Conversely, we have another friend who claims to have no conscious awareness at all. We have no idea how that works, but they say they feel dissociated all the time and cannot identify anything that they'd call a self awareness.
 

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K5Rakitan is right.

In a lot of psychological texts, "unconscious mind" and "subconscious mind" are used interchangeably. We believe "unconscious mind" is the older term for it.

And another general relationship is that it is strongly believed, with significant evidence to back it up, that the conscious mind is subservient to and even created by the subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind is extremely powerful in relation to it.

However, there are certain executive function overrides and a kind of self awareness that the conscious mind can typically perform that the subconscious mind typically cannot. And you can probably kind of imagine what those things might be by thinking about your own relationship to your own subconscious and how your conscious decision making goes.

But we emphasize "typically" there, because we are a clear exception that proves K5Rakitan's statement about how it varies, especially with neurodivergent people.

We're autistic and we're plural (with functional multiplicity following recover from DID). We are separate people inhabiting the same brain. And we have seen each other do feats of conscious thinking while submerged into what seems to be the subconscious mind to the fronting headmate. That's not supposed to be how it works, but we've seen it and experienced it multiple times throughout our life.

So, you can do a lot of fudgery there if you need to for a specific character.

Conversely, we have another friend who claims to have no conscious awareness at all. We have no idea how that works, but they say they feel dissociated all the time and cannot identify anything that they'd call a self awareness.

I am working on hypersensitivity of sensory organs.

So there are multiple methods of getting stronger in my power system. The current method involves dumping all the tedious tasks to the lower brain or other parts of the mind.

Basically, the five sensory organs would be enhanced. However, the increased influx of data will need to be processed by a higher mental capacity. I decided that the part that will be delegated to solve this problem is the unconscious mind or the lower brain. This is to ensure their thought process and other conscious capacity remains the same but with stronger ability to gather information from the environment.
 

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We're autistic and we're plural (with functional multiplicity following recover from DID). We are separate people inhabiting the same brain. And we have seen each other do feats of conscious thinking while submerged into what seems to be the subconscious mind to the fronting headmate. That's not supposed to be how it works, but we've seen it and experienced it multiple times throughout our life.
After it was touched on briefly in a TV series called "The United States of Tara" I looked into it a little and this is far more common than originally thought. There are usually one or two IDs that are at least partially aware of the actions of some or all of the others, but most of them only know the name and have a vague awareness of their existence (usually by the IDs leaving physical evidence of their existence around, but occasionally by actually leaving each other messages, either written or through a third party).

But also, each case is unique.
 

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So there are multiple methods of getting stronger in my power system. The current method involves dumping all the tedious tasks to the lower brain or other parts of the mind.
My mind immediately thought of Schmenis when you said lower brain. So dirty~

Anyway I'm not sure if this can help but here's some interesting references.
-Irregular in Magic Highschool has an interesting take on the connection between the story's magic system and the mind. I think the MC even has his consciousness and subconsciousness overlap due to the experiment done on him to prevent him from accidentally using his innate ability. It's been to long so I'm not clear about it.
-Genius of the unique lineage also has some fun uses of super senses and instincts.
-Split, 2016 film, a guy with DID also affects his body chemistry (?).
 

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K5Rakitan is right.

In a lot of psychological texts, "unconscious mind" and "subconscious mind" are used interchangeably. We believe "unconscious mind" is the older term for it.

And another general relationship is that it is strongly believed, with significant evidence to back it up, that the conscious mind is subservient to and even created by the subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind is extremely powerful in relation to it.

However, there are certain executive function overrides and a kind of self awareness that the conscious mind can typically perform that the subconscious mind typically cannot. And you can probably kind of imagine what those things might be by thinking about your own relationship to your own subconscious and how your conscious decision making goes.

But we emphasize "typically" there, because we are a clear exception that proves K5Rakitan's statement about how it varies, especially with neurodivergent people.

We're autistic and we're plural (with functional multiplicity following recover from DID). We are separate people inhabiting the same brain. And we have seen each other do feats of conscious thinking while submerged into what seems to be the subconscious mind to the fronting headmate. That's not supposed to be how it works, but we've seen it and experienced it multiple times throughout our life.

So, you can do a lot of fudgery there if you need to for a specific character.

Conversely, we have another friend who claims to have no conscious awareness at all. We have no idea how that works, but they say they feel dissociated all the time and cannot identify anything that they'd call a self awareness.

I read all this but I still don't know what the subconscious mind does and what it is.
 

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Anyway I'm not sure if this can help but here's some interesting references.
-Irregular in Magic Highschool has an interesting take on the connection between the story's magic system and the mind. I think the MC even has his consciousness and subconsciousness overlap due to the experiment done on him to prevent him from accidentally using his innate ability. It's been to long so I'm not clear about it
For a normal magician in the series their Magic Calculation Area is rooted in their sub-conscious. The experiment he went through effectively gave him a secondary artificial MCA that was rooted in his conscious mind. Most of his sub-conscious was taken up by his unique magic which would lead to be a failure of a mage(outside of his unique magic) without the artificial MCA. Mahouka is one of the deepest magic systems in recent literature imo.

I read all this but I still don't know what the subconscious mind does and what it is.
Well that only really leaves you with 2 choices then. Do some basic research or change the system.
 

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After it was touched on briefly in a TV series called "The United States of Tara" I looked into it a little and this is far more common than originally thought. There are usually one or two IDs that are at least partially aware of the actions of some or all of the others, but most of them only know the name and have a vague awareness of their existence (usually by the IDs leaving physical evidence of their existence around, but occasionally by actually leaving each other messages, either written or through a third party).

But also, each case is unique.
That's sort of the default state before system discovery. It's possible for someone with DID to learn of all or most of their system members on their own, or often with therapy, and for them to communicate with each other freely. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to get to that state. Sometimes, it just happens when they feel safe enough to come out to each other.

We're a case of the latter.

We spent 41 years of our life unaware of our plurality/DID until the circumstances leading to our divorce and loss of career caused our symptoms to flare and become unignorable. But, the day we accepted that we were plural was the day system members started barging their way forward to say "Hi! I'm not you!"

The vast majority of us do not have names. But quite a few of us do.

You should also read When Rabbit Howls, by the Troops for Trudy Chase, if you're interested in learning what it can be like from an internal perspective. Though, content warning for CSA and violence on that one.
I read all this but I still don't know what the subconscious mind does and what it is.
Sorry about that.

A brief run down:

Reflexes happen in the spine, as said above, and are the super quick single muscle reactions to stimulai.

The subconscious receives and processes your raw sensory inputs and does all the neurological "number crunching" to make sense of them. It can also react faster than the conscious mind. The subconscious also creates the conscious mind. Think of it as a huge server farm that hosts the virtual reality MMO that is the conscious mind. Well, it's an MMO for us. For singlets it's a single player game. Anyway, it's hard to define exactly what the subconscious mind does because it really does pretty much everything that isn't reflexes.

The subconscious mind is everything that happens in your brain that your conscious mind is not fully aware of, including everything it takes to create the perceptions of the conscious mind.

The conscious mind does a small handful of things the subconscious mind wouldn't be able to do without it, according to theory. It is what gives you self awareness and the ability to self evaluate and override reflexes and subconscious decisions. In theory. But our own personal experience suggests that it isn't always that special.
 

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All that is great, but I've only ever seen the word 'unconscious' used to refer to someone who is not conscious; i.e. asleep, drugged, stunned or in a coma; to the point where I would say its an error to use it synonymously with subconscious.

Google says it's not an error, but I refuse. :blob_thor:
 

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All that is great, but I've only ever seen the word 'unconscious' used to refer to someone who is not conscious; i.e. asleep, drugged, stunned or in a coma; to the point where I would say its an error to use it synonymously with subconscious.

Google says it's not an error, but I refuse. :blob_thor:
So unconscious mind is the state when the conscious mind is turned off and control is handed over while subconscious moves along with conscious?
 
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