TheEldritchGod
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I've been looking at this thing:
https://chat.openai.com/chat
And I actually have thought about it, and wish to revise the recommendations I have for writing.
1. Outline - You need a halfway decent roadmap.
2. Write your Climax/Apex first. Have that goal of where you are going. You can throw it out later, but you need that VISION. if you don't know where you are going to wind up, you can't get there.
3. Write a summary of your midpoint. You need to have an idea of halfway between the beginning and ending.
4. Title - You title is a pledge. Try to keep it to something snappy, but it is a pledge to your reader what the story is about. People like knowing what they are getting.
5. Opening line - You live and die on the opening line. It need to get the reader to want to read at least the first paragraph.
6. First paragraph - This is the question you put in the reader's head. The answer must be in the book, and it should only be found in your book. Why else would he read it?
7. Now we get to the story. Yeah, there are MCs and antagonists and plot and shit, but there's some simple basic steps that everyone should follow:
A) Write a rough draft, at least one chapter at a time. Don't worry about the details right now. GET IT ON PAPER.
B) Reread it. Rewrite it.
C) Feed it through a spell checker.
D) Reread/Rewrite
E) Put it through a text to Speech. I like TextEdit. LISTEN TO WHAT YOU WROTE. FIX IT.
F) Reread/Rewrite
G) This is where that OpenAI comes in...
OpenAI is... meh. It's annoying to use. The best I have found is you open up two different conversations: Help Me Rewrite A Paragraph and Rewrite A Chapter. Then feed in one paragraph at a time into the first conversation. After you do that, feed it sections of your chapter. It gives some basic and helpful suggestions...
BUT IT IS BLAND.
Seriously, the AI is good at pointing out basic mistakes and I use it like super-charged spell correction. It also comes up with some halfway okay ideas for descriptions of People, places, and things, if you ask. However, DO NOT USE IT DIRECTLY. Holy Crap, it tries to make everyone happy, cheerful...
SMARMY.
That's the word. It is SMARMY. Holy crap the AI is a pain to work with. Nothing even vaguely sexual or violent. It edits out fantasy and surreal shit. it is great for if you want to write something NORMAL and dull for a 9th grade school paper. It will be very non-offensive, but holy crap does it try to annoy me.
That said, I fed in some old chapters of mine and it does a fairly good job of pointing out parsing errors, spelling errors, sentence restructuring, suggested rewording isn't bad. It does a fine job of stripping down your writing and removing redundant words. It is a good tool. I will be using it in the future to go over what I have written to fine tune it, because it's good for that. It reminds me of an editor I used to work with. Very SAFE. But... ya know... Calm waters never made a skilled sailor.
But yeah, I'm gonna start using this thing to help fine tune crap. IS it any good at... writing? Ehhhh... no. No it is not. It is very good at writing for your 9th grade english teacher. It isn't good at writing anything that has... oh... i dunno... feeling? I mean it is good at summarizing things. Don't get me wrong, but... yeah. This ain't replacing all writers any time soon. It will do a good job helping someone out. Hell, If I was "english as a second language", you could do worse than using this thing.
That all said...
H) Put it back through a spell checker, just in case.
I) Put it BACK though the text to speech. A final listen to EXACTLY what you wrote. Fix any mistakes.
Then you have 'finished' a good basic first draft. If you want to be a professional, you need someone else to be your editor. Sorry. You will never catch all your mistakes, especially plot related mistakes. You need someone who is not family or a friend to read the book and tell you where you fucked up. Because you did. Trust me. It's gonna hurt and you need someone who don't care about your feelings.
Now, that said, Publishing a first draft is fine. I do it all the time. The readers around here are very forgiving, but if you hope to take your writing to the next level, the next level is to get a real, full-time editor, but I feel that if you follow these steps, you at least won't embarrass yourself.
https://chat.openai.com/chat
And I actually have thought about it, and wish to revise the recommendations I have for writing.
1. Outline - You need a halfway decent roadmap.
2. Write your Climax/Apex first. Have that goal of where you are going. You can throw it out later, but you need that VISION. if you don't know where you are going to wind up, you can't get there.
3. Write a summary of your midpoint. You need to have an idea of halfway between the beginning and ending.
4. Title - You title is a pledge. Try to keep it to something snappy, but it is a pledge to your reader what the story is about. People like knowing what they are getting.
5. Opening line - You live and die on the opening line. It need to get the reader to want to read at least the first paragraph.
6. First paragraph - This is the question you put in the reader's head. The answer must be in the book, and it should only be found in your book. Why else would he read it?
7. Now we get to the story. Yeah, there are MCs and antagonists and plot and shit, but there's some simple basic steps that everyone should follow:
A) Write a rough draft, at least one chapter at a time. Don't worry about the details right now. GET IT ON PAPER.
B) Reread it. Rewrite it.
C) Feed it through a spell checker.
D) Reread/Rewrite
E) Put it through a text to Speech. I like TextEdit. LISTEN TO WHAT YOU WROTE. FIX IT.
F) Reread/Rewrite
G) This is where that OpenAI comes in...
OpenAI is... meh. It's annoying to use. The best I have found is you open up two different conversations: Help Me Rewrite A Paragraph and Rewrite A Chapter. Then feed in one paragraph at a time into the first conversation. After you do that, feed it sections of your chapter. It gives some basic and helpful suggestions...
BUT IT IS BLAND.
Seriously, the AI is good at pointing out basic mistakes and I use it like super-charged spell correction. It also comes up with some halfway okay ideas for descriptions of People, places, and things, if you ask. However, DO NOT USE IT DIRECTLY. Holy Crap, it tries to make everyone happy, cheerful...
SMARMY.
That's the word. It is SMARMY. Holy crap the AI is a pain to work with. Nothing even vaguely sexual or violent. It edits out fantasy and surreal shit. it is great for if you want to write something NORMAL and dull for a 9th grade school paper. It will be very non-offensive, but holy crap does it try to annoy me.
That said, I fed in some old chapters of mine and it does a fairly good job of pointing out parsing errors, spelling errors, sentence restructuring, suggested rewording isn't bad. It does a fine job of stripping down your writing and removing redundant words. It is a good tool. I will be using it in the future to go over what I have written to fine tune it, because it's good for that. It reminds me of an editor I used to work with. Very SAFE. But... ya know... Calm waters never made a skilled sailor.
But yeah, I'm gonna start using this thing to help fine tune crap. IS it any good at... writing? Ehhhh... no. No it is not. It is very good at writing for your 9th grade english teacher. It isn't good at writing anything that has... oh... i dunno... feeling? I mean it is good at summarizing things. Don't get me wrong, but... yeah. This ain't replacing all writers any time soon. It will do a good job helping someone out. Hell, If I was "english as a second language", you could do worse than using this thing.
That all said...
H) Put it back through a spell checker, just in case.
I) Put it BACK though the text to speech. A final listen to EXACTLY what you wrote. Fix any mistakes.
Then you have 'finished' a good basic first draft. If you want to be a professional, you need someone else to be your editor. Sorry. You will never catch all your mistakes, especially plot related mistakes. You need someone who is not family or a friend to read the book and tell you where you fucked up. Because you did. Trust me. It's gonna hurt and you need someone who don't care about your feelings.
Now, that said, Publishing a first draft is fine. I do it all the time. The readers around here are very forgiving, but if you hope to take your writing to the next level, the next level is to get a real, full-time editor, but I feel that if you follow these steps, you at least won't embarrass yourself.
