Is this scenario ethically sound?

[ThrillingHuman]

Imagine this race of immortal... idk, let's say goblins.
So they procreate by spawning another goblin every two days and that goblin matures in a month.
Every race on the planet makes sure to sterilise any goblin they come across.
Goblins are an intelligent species.
Essentially, all races on the planet do ethnic cleansings of them. They don't like it. They retaliate with force. There is a constant war going on.

EDIT:
okay, people have a problem with their rate of procreation. Let's change it up:

Goblins are immortal in the way that they cannot die outside of being killed. I am not writing a novel here so let's not get any more specific since this is off topic. So goblin starving to death is not possible.
Goblins have preferences to where to live so they will not move to lands where another living beings would not be able to autonomously create a civilization, othereise they will experience a case of severe depression. Thus they will not move where nobody will be able to find them.
A goblin not being able to spawn in a new goblin due to lack of resources outside of those inherent to it is impossible.
A goblin not maturing due to lack of resources is impossible.
It takes 5 years for a goblin to mature.
A goblin spawns in another goblin in a way that is not reliant on resources outside of itself.
A goblin can spawn in 5 goblins in their life and will do so unless sterilised or killed prematurely.
A goblin will spawn in another goblin at a rate of ~1 per year.
Goblins are intelligent but not a hivemind and are incapable of drastic collective action due to difference of opinions (i.e. collectively sterilising themselves or leading a war against the rest of the world)
Other intelligent races have a reasonable chance of stalling goblin procreation withinbreasonable limits for at least 4 decades when they act upon their goal.
They have a small chance of completely wiping goblins out if they act more agressively.
Goblins are spread out pretty evenly across liveable lands and do not have a country or land of their own.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Non-retards.

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

Imagine this race of immortal... idk, let's say goblins.
So they procreate by spawning another goblin every two days and that goblin matures in a month.
Every race on the planet makes sure to sterilise any goblin they come across.
Goblins are an intelligent species.
Essentially, all races on the planet do ethnic cleansings of them. They don't like it. They retaliate with force. There is a constant war going on.
Whose side are you on?

Ummm... I have no idea. It's certainly a quandary, because they'll inevitably push out the other species.

 

[APieceOfRock]

Yes. Sounds like an end-of-the-world scenario if the goblins are allowed to multiply.
It's a necessary evil.

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

So the goblins are already strong enough to starting a war with sheer numbers ? And they manage to evolve into intelligent race ?

If I'm a human, I will be conscripted to Human-side or get tortured and killed in the Goblin side, doesn't matter whether I'm reincarnated or transmigrated (or even summoned as Hero).

If I'm a goblin, I will be conscripted to Goblin-side and massacred by human or another race. Being able to Hyper-procreation, that means nearly everyone is Hyper horny and can only cope by Hyper-sex. Being able to invent condom and anti-horny drugs would be a great boon to prevent food shortages due to overpopulation, but if the goblin are intelligent they should've at least tried those method.

Or maybe they have tried circumcising and sterilizing those deviant breeder ? Any intelligent races with near-zero knowledge would have tried cutting balls and dick just for mere curiosities.

The existence of goblin may proof the existence of other non-human intelligent races, such as Orc, Ogre, Troll, Beastman, Lizardman, Dwarf, Elf, or even Dragons, etc.

But I really hope the male goblin population isn't weaker than female. Otherwise, im afraid there will be phenomenon of Konosuba's female orc crisis in which lots of female orc tried to rape male creatures, like how they chase Kazuma just to rape him.

 

[Placeholder]

Little tired of rape-must-happen-for-plot-reasons-outside-the-author's-control.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Little tired of rape-must-happen-for-plot-reasons-outside-the-author's-control.

Bruh.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Imagine this race of immortal... idk, let's say goblins.
So they procreate by spawning another goblin every two days and that goblin matures in a month.
Every race on the planet makes sure to sterilise any goblin they come across.
Goblins are an intelligent species.
Essentially, all races on the planet do ethnic cleansings of them. They don't like it. They retaliate with force. There is a constant war going on.
Whose side are you on?

How about as a human from other world, I kill them all/ enslave with funky magic?

Seriously, this is the question about extinction of race/ culture, there is no right, only those left.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Being able to Hyper-procreation, that means nearly everyone is Hyper horny and can only cope by Hyper-sex. Being able to invent condom and anti-horny drugs would be a great boon to prevent food shortages due to overpopulation, but if the goblin are intelligent they should've at least tried those method.

I wrote they spawn in new goblins. Like by themselves. Without anything biological or controllable. You're being racist

 

[melchi]

Imagine this race of immortal... idk, let's say goblins.
So they procreate by spawning another goblin every two days and that goblin matures in a month.
Every race on the planet makes sure to sterilise any goblin they come across.
Goblins are an intelligent species.
Essentially, all races on the planet do ethnic cleansings of them. They don't like it. They retaliate with force. There is a constant war going on.
Whose side are you on?

It sounds okay to kill goblins, that is just what they are there for. However, if goblins gets replaced by irish then it seems immoral.

 

[BearlyAlive]

They're immortal goblins? That multiply by just existing? Yeah, no. Your whole premise is flawed. Those goblins can't die and multiply like rabbits, so anything longer than a short all-out conflict would be too much in favor of the goblins to be anything but zombie apocalypse but with goblins, a gobbocalypse if you will.

At least make it so that either they aren't immortal, they're really weak (which wouldn't make them a threat), only the oldest ones can spawn new ones, or the goblins themselves actively working on a "cure" for their condition.

Unkillable termites with intellect sound too much like a bad hivemind. The kind where everyone with a brain asks themselves why the hivemind didn't win ages ago.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

goblins.

 

[Succubiome]

Every race on the planet makes sure to sterilise any goblin they come across.
Goblins are an intelligent species.
Essentially, all races on the planet do ethnic cleansings of them. They don't like it. They retaliate with force. There is a constant war going on.

The ethics of this are actually meta-ethics-- is writing this scenario merely entertaining, or does it support RL ethnic cleansing rhetoric, or does it actually oppose RL ethnic cleansing rhetoric in some way? Like, do your research if you're asking if the scenario is ethically sound? Look at actual ethnic cleansing and sterilization programs and the propaganda they used, look at what your world is like, compare the two, see if you are personally comfortable with it.

My unresearched take is that goblins wouldn't be my first choice for writing something like this, due to them being used as a caricature for at least two different RL minority groups offhand.

So they procreate by spawning another goblin every two days and that goblin matures in a month

Regardless, this scenario is not mathematically sound, assuming a goblin is a reasonable threat to the average person of another species.

Assuming they're only immortal in the chronological sense, and can be killed, unlike BearlyAlive, who also makes an excellent point:

Each unsterilized goblin can reproduce every 2 days, assuming 30 day months and using the dirty and incorrect math of each goblin is matured by the end of it, means 1 unsterilized goblin can produce ~16 goblins in a month, over a million goblins in half a year, and over a trillion goblins in a year. It's actually a bit lower and more staggered than this due to goblin maturity... but not by that much, and I don't want to do all the detailed math. Adding a month or two to the time to produce a trillion goblins(over 12 times the human population of earth, which is a lot BTW) doesn't really make a difference.

Sterilizing a goblin only pisses them as a species off, it doesn't really change the scale or scope of what's happening. The only way that the world has not undergone a goblinapocalypse is if the goblins are controlling their own reproduction in some way-- which goblins would surely recognize if they were intelligent.

If they control their population, either everyone respects the hell out of them and doesn't pick a war with them, they have already taken over the world, or somewhere between the two-- every time someone picks a fight with them, they produce a huge army, take them over or wipe them out, and then go back to peacefulness.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

They're immortal goblins? That multiply by just existing? Yeah, no. Your whole premise is flawed. Those goblins can't die and multiply like rabbits, so anything longer than a short all-out conflict would be too much in favor of the goblins to be anything but zombie apocalypse but with goblins, a gobbocalypse if you will.

At least make it so that either they aren't immortal, they're really weak (which wouldn't make them a threat), only the oldest ones can spawn new ones, or the goblins themselves actively working on a "cure" for their condition.

Unkillable termites with intellect sound too much like a bad hivemind. The kind where everyone with a brain asks themselves why the hivemind didn't win ages ago.

I didn't ask who would win, or whether the settingbwas sound. I asked whether the races' response to their predicament was morally sound

 

[Tyranomaster]

It depends. Resources aren't unlimited. Until the industrial age caused massive surplus of resources on Earth (we've still got a good hundred years until we aren't at real shortages again), the conquering and slaughtering of fellow humans (even ones that are ethnically similar) was commonplace.

We can infer then that if countries already exist along racial lines and this hypothetical world does not have excess resources, then this would probably be a common practice.

The only reason the goblins wouldn't have already controlled everything however is a trickier one. They either need to be a relatively recent creation, or there needs to be some place just loaded with near infinite (if true immortality i.e. they don't eat) goblins, but behind such an incredible physical barrier that few survive crossing. The other option is they do have their own homeland but there isn't enough food to support a massive population.

Honestly, for intelligent races, there isn't actually a need to exterminate them though. If you just treat their kingdom like other kingdoms, then their main advantage is they reach their maximum sustainable population quickly. If they lose territory, many goblins will starve to death. If they win territory, they rapidly fill that to it's sustainable level.

If they overproduce, it would cause starvation and instability. Their country could either become aggressive in war to support and expend excess population (common in history) or collapse to internal strife (also common). If they are frequent aggressors, then a common defensive coalition would likely form by other kingdoms to hold them back or counter offensive.

Then as an author, you have a choice, do goblins rule the world, and live in a state of constant starvation and societal collapse, or have all other kingdoms have a recent living memory of hyper aggressive goblins attacking everyone, justifying their recent treatment.

Then after many generations there is no living memory of the goblin aggression, goblins are freed to make their own kingdom, and the cycle repeats.

(Jesus this was a long response.)

 

[georgelee5786]

Those doing the ethnic cleansing

 

[Succubiome]

I didn't ask who would win, or whether the setting was sound. I asked whether the races' response to their predicament was morally sound

The answer to "do the ends justify the means" when the ends don't have a real chance of working is always "no".

 

[Corty]

It ain't human; it ain't real.

 

[Succubiome]

(Also, notably: the title "Is this scenario ethically sound?" proposes a different question than "whose side are you on?")

 

[ThrillingHuman]

(Also, notably: the title "Is this scenario ethically sound?" proposes a different question than "whose side are you on?")

ok, deleted that part