Is It Just Me?

[melchi]

Spawn is black, and he doesn't back down when someone messes with his community....

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Yep, he was a legend.

Such a legend that he expanded my knowledge of the character "Ultraman" (and probably watched it on the same channel I did as a kid), and had a character named after him shortly after his passing (Naomi McDuffie, of the comic book series and the CW television show Naomi)

Oh, and this tidbit:

Icon is a conservative Republican who holds conservative views on economic and social issues, which often put him in conflict with more liberal Milestone Comics superheroes, including his sidekick. Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas was an avowed fan of Icon, to the extent that he quoted the character on multiple occasions; upon learning of this, author Dwayne McDuffie, who in the blog post he wrote on the matter described himself as liberal, suffered writer's block out of fears that dialogue he wrote would be used in the service of conservatism.

 

[Dragonpig]

This is such an interesting thing to me about human beings. You ask a simple question, someone gives you an answer you don't understand, and then someone *else* jumps in with what they *think* the person meant. But I want the explanation to come from the person who actually gave the answer — the one that didn't make sense to me in the first place.

Now other people are somehow defending someone who hasn't asked to be defended and still isn't answering the question I asked. Is this something in the community — this need to be offended or to start something? I asked a simple question. This isn't a war. But if that's what you need to do, then go ahead and do that.

I'll try:


Summary: Fictional universes have rules that are made up by the author.


Summary: Sometimes the author working on the project breaks rules set up by previous authors or by himself on a previous occasion.

If you look at the entirety of his statement, it is pretty clear that he is not talking about white vs. Black at all; he was talking about narrative consistency and worldbuilding discipline over time, not race. You, however, decided to respond to him ranting about...

... which, I reiterate, was not what he was talking about at all. Many of these POC superheroes are being made by POC creators. If you think that they are doing a bad job, then I encourage you to write your own story.

Look at the creator of static shock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_McDuffie

Look at the creator of Blue Marvel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Grevioux

Do you honestly believe those two talented creators aspired to portray people of color in a negative light?

So with all due respect, sir. . I was asking a question and he did not even give me the answer to the question, so I feel like there's some miscommunication here. I'm not trying to start an argument.

 

[Anonjohn20]

This is such an interesting thing to me about human beings. You ask a simple question, someone gives you an answer you don't understand, and then someone *else* jumps in with what they *think* the person meant. But I want the explanation to come from the person who actually gave the answer — the one that didn't make sense to me in the first place.

Now other people are somehow defending someone who hasn't asked to be defended and still isn't answering the question I asked. Is this something in the community — this need to be offended or to start something? I asked a simple question. This isn't a war. But if that's what you need to do, then go ahead and do that.

So with all due respect, sir. . I was asking a question and he did not even give me the answer to the question, so I feel like there's some miscommunication here. I'm not trying to start an argument.

LOL, first you quite literally demand I step in with...

So explain to me for him. What exactly he was saying to me?

... and now that you don't like that the reasonable answer had nothing to do with race, suddenly I shouldn't have stepped in even though you clearly insisted that I do.

this need to be offended or to start something?

LOL at your projection. You were the one who got offended and posted this:

So let me make sure I'm understanding you. superheroes in the DC universe. The white ones are the only ones that can fight the power, but any other superhero who's not white must bend the knee.

So you're saying. in the DC universe. If a superhero is white. They can fight the power. But if there of any other nationality or of color. They have to bend the knee?

That is not a simple question; that is a loaded question, a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption, meant to entrap someone.

So with all due respect, sir. . I was asking a question and he did not even give me the answer to the question, so I feel like there's some miscommunication here.

He probably opted out of the conversation when he tried to talk about narrative consistency, and you immediately chose to get offended and imply that he is a racist somehow. See, when you present yourself as an unreasonable person, occasionally other people decide that the effort, cost, risk, or trouble required to communicate with you might not be worth the effort. Notice how Hasako was active today about 8 hours ago but didn't bother interacting with you.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Have you ever noticed that superheroes of color always seem to fold when a villain threatens their community — but white heroes never do?

Blue Marvel, Static Shock, Black Lightning — the moment someone says "stop fighting or your people get hurt," they back down. Batman gets that same threat and fights anyway. Superman, Wonder Woman — they never stop. The story calls that heroic.

Superman isn't white, he's an alien kryptonian. His community is already dead.

 

[Conqueror_Quack]

Superman isn't white, he's an alien kryptonian. His community is already dead.

A small portion are still alive though

 

[AnonUnlimited]

A small portion are still alive though

Not enough for a community.

 

[Dragonpig]

LOL, first you quite literally demand I step in with...

... and now that you don't like that the reasonable answer had nothing to do with race, suddenly I shouldn't have stepped in even though you clearly insisted that I do.


LOL at your projection. You were the one who got offended and posted this:

That is not a simple question; that is a loaded question, a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption, meant to entrap someone.


He probably opted out of the conversation when he tried to talk about narrative consistency, and you immediately chose to get offended and imply that he is a racist somehow. See, when you present yourself as an unreasonable person, occasionally other people decide that the effort, cost, risk, or trouble required to with you might not be worth the effort. Notice how Hasako was active today about 8 hours ago but didn't bother interacting with you.

. Okay. When I asked the question I was being facetious. I will apologize for that. I guess you took that in the wrong way and you're still explaining why you think he's doing what he's doing again. My point, but I'm not here to argue with you if you feel like you're right. If you feel like I'm a bad person.. Okay.

 

[Conqueror_Quack]

Not enough for a community.

Didn't Brainiac have thousands?

 

[Dragonpig]

Didn't Brainiac have thousands?

"What you talking about man, those Kryptonians are short people, you know. Short people have no reason to live. They got little hands, little eyes, go around telling great big lies, don't want no short people around here. Throwback."

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Summary: Fictional universes have rules that are made up by the author.

Actually, this line is not 100% correct, especially when it comes to comic books.
Yes, the fictional universes have rules ("character" and "story" bibles even - the one for Batman is allegedly very long and includes a line something like: "Batman is the character; Bruce Wayne is one mask he wears. No, he is not insane.") - but those rules are created and enforced by an editorial board (or sometimes a single line editor), who in a few cases never wrote for the character or setting they are editing.
This is a "relatively" new thing for comic books, by the way - such ideas were only imposed in the sixties, as part of a way for the relatively new Marvel Comics Company to distinguish itself from both the wildness of the Silver Age and the sometimes-contradictory stories published by their Direct Competition.
DC made a half-@$$ed effort to follow suit in the 70s, then kind of abandoned it until the Crisis on Infinite Earths was done explicitly to create a single, cohesive time line and single "bible" for each major story group (Batman Family, Superman Family, Justice FillInTheBlank, Future History).