How the heck to market a story?

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I disagree. It's good and helps keep things regulated. It prevents people from gaming the view system by bulk posting. You don't want it because it specifically limits you from reposting your story on an anime release date, thus perpetually showing up on the front page.

You get 2 a day, so does someone else who wants to post that day.
If I did them all at once, my thing would go to the newly updated list once, and get pushed off just as quickly. That's how math works.
I believe it was designed to prevent novels from hogging the Latest Updates column so that smaller novels would be able to reserve more visibility. I for one am grateful for the function because I do not think anyone would be able to keep up with AI novel spam. The epidemic hit Wattpad for a short while before it was addressed a while back.
If I post ten chapters and then click Publish it goes to the latest update once. And even if it were there multiple times, shit lasts *seconds* there
At least on this site, I'm pretty certain most stories just use the tags *Transgender*, *Male to Female* or vice versa. Girls love and genderbender is also really popular so it must be the fanfic tag being the huge turn off.

It's just a number game really, let's say there's 1/10 people who read fan fics and then 1/100 who are trans. The number dilutes a lot unfortunately.:s_frown:

And they are out there. Less than 1 in 10 people comment as well so again, it's just a numbers game. I'd still recommend combining your story into one whole thing just for visibility sake more than anything else. The most popular stories on this site all have hundreds of chapters after all. :s_smile:
I have those tags, but I'm required to add *fanfiction* which is an insta-skip for 90% of everybody, especially with SH's trash search algorithm.
 

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If I did them all at once, my thing would go to the newly updated list once, and get pushed off just as quickly. That's how math works.

If I post ten chapters and then click Publish it goes to the latest update once. And even if it were there multiple times, shit lasts *seconds* there

I have those tags, but I'm required to add *fanfiction* which is an insta-skip for 90% of everybody, especially with SH's trash search algorithm.
If there really is a reboot of the series due, that might help you a lot. I knew one person back in the early 90s who was a huge Ranma 1/2 fan; I only managed to catch one episode and see a photocopy of a manga page (that has the lead complain about the clothing his girlfriend gave him to wear in his female form, because it is "way too tight in the chest and too loose at the waist" ... and she hits him, hard) myself.
 

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If there really is a reboot of the series due, that might help you a lot. I knew one person back in the early 90s who was a huge Ranma 1/2 fan; I only managed to catch one episode and see a photocopy of a manga page (that has the lead complain about the clothing his girlfriend gave him to wear in his female form, because it is "way too tight in the chest and too loose at the waist" ... and she hits him, hard) myself.
The first episode drops on Netflix on Saturday. But we only got like 2-3 months notice it was coming, so I've been FRANTIC to try and roll out the red carpet for those potential new fans.
 

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Man, you actually made me read through this cursed thread.

And I'm still confused. Why am I mentioned here again...?
Nothing, just me supporting John_Owl's advice by pointing out evidence (Me being your loyalist through the forum).

Also, where Slenderman? Why'd you remove that story from your sig?
 

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Nothing, just me supporting John_Owl's advice by pointing out evidence (Me being your loyalist through the forum).

Also, where Slenderman? Why'd you remove that story from your sig?
What Slenderman...? I never put him anywhere in my signature.
 

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That was when I was catching the story up with other platforms. I do daily drops pretty consistently and I get crickets. 2-3 comments a chapter.
Believe it or not, 2-3 comments a chapter is actually pretty damn good in itself, especially for a story that's 100 chapters long. That means you've got 2-3 dedicated readers, which is definitely something. But with that said, oversaturating your readers with so many chapters that often is gonna tire them out sooner or later.

I am getting ready to do a massive repost of the whole thing, from the beginning, with remastered content, and not break it up into multiple works. And I'm trying to maximize my chances of success, and getting massively frustrated with everyone telling me "well you're a fanfic so have you considered f**king off and dying?"
Damn, you're sounding a bit too salty. Gives off too much desperation vibes. I understand the frustration (I've been there, trust me), but blaming readership tastes in a site that doesn't specialize in fanfiction won't get you brownie points. Hell, even in sites that specialize in fanfiction like FanFiction.Net and AO3, some fandoms are more popular than others. That's just how it is. So please stop acting like a drama queen. You're giving me flashbacks to my weaboo self from 14 years ago.
The fact that I am here is every proof that this is a lie.
No, I'd beg to differ. I'm looking at your stats on your profile right now, and they're impressive in their own right. You're doing better than me, actually. You've got more readers, more followers, more page views, and more words written and uploaded onto your profile. They've already come, and you have them right now.
 
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I am already one of the most popular *current* generation Ranma fics. But I'm chasing the historical ones now. It's like saying Force Awakens was the best *recent* Star Wars movie, but it's still nothing compared to Empire.
Okay, after reading through this thread, I get where you're coming from, but your behavior on this thread (the first thread you started on this site) gives this impression: self-entitled hubris. I'm not trying to be a dick, okay? I'm just saying this based on my own experience as a former fanfic writer (2010-2015), and I hope that my experience can help you gain a some perspective on your own situation.

Mostly because they're tired of how hard I've been trying to push it.
When I was starting out on my writing journey, I wrote a Ghost Hunt/Death Note crossover fanfic (The Whitechapel Case) and posted it in FanFiction.Net, thinking it was gonna catch fire, but it didn't. It didn't because it's a crossover. Its target audience was a cross-section of two fanfic audiences in two of the smaller fandoms out there, and the direction of that story went totally different from Ghost Hunt fanfics from the first chapter onwards. In that crossover fanfic, I was focusing more on Oliver Davis's side of the fandom, the male lead of Ghost Hunt, while the majority of Ghost Hunt fanfics focus on the female lead Mai Taniyama's side of the fandom in her relationship with Oliver Davis in their ghost-hunting cases, so of course it wasn't going to reach anywhere near the amount of readers as, say, mytruthaboutlife's Haunting Life, which is the most famous Ghost Hunt fanfics in the fandom on that site. Yet in spite of those hurdles, I few readers I did get were telling me that my crossover fanfic was one of the best fanfics they've ever read, which really pumped up my ego and inflated the importance I placed onto my story, and that's when I started craving more attention, and it consumed me to the point where I was spamming people's inboxes begging them to go read my story, and it was a mixed bag. Many people were nice enough to give it a shot and read it, and I received some really encouraging response, but others didn't try to stroke my ego but gave honest critiques that I just couldn't handle, b/c I didn't have the writing experience to handle it yet. But more telling, of the one that didn't read it and responded, some of they told me to fuck off (and rightly so), some of them telling me that I came across as really desperate. That's when I came to realize that I was getting in my own way, being my own worst enemy by attention-whoring my story and myself into oblivion.

Do you see what I'm trying to get at here? First impressions are important, especially when you're trying to reach out to potential readers outside of your niche. You don't wanna come across as so single-mindedly desperate, so focused on getting yourself out there, that potential readers outside of your fanfic audience will get turned off from giving your story a chance b/c of how you present yourself. And based on how you've presented yourself in this thread, based on how rude you've been to people on this thread in spite of their willingness to give you advice on what you could do to expand your audience beyond the one you have now, do you really think this is a good first impression you wanna have? I don't think so, which leads me to my last point.
Nearly without fail the readers I have say it's among the best - if not the best - fanfiction they've ever read. Some say it's better than stuff like Worm. Probably 10% of my readers say they come from outside the Ranma fandom, and they have validated time and again that the story is welcoming to people without fandom knowledge. And so I find myself in this place where, impostor syndrome says "don't believe them, you're not that good, nobody outside Ranma wants it" and everybody loudly says "but yes you are" all over my discord, all over the comments. It puts me in this place where I am like "well okay let me try to do something real with this" and then the boot of reality comes crashing down without even giving it a chance, with the assumption that I must just suck, and the basic disrespect to repeatedly misgender me as the icing on top. I don't know how I managed to be cursed with both a giant ego and zero self confidence simultaneously, but here I am. I want to believe what the reviews and the readers say, but it's like "Well if I'm so good then where the hell is everybody? Is it a marketing thing? Is it a "hit the bottom of the well" thing? Do I believe the hype people are saying about me? Do I not?"

I'm in an extraordinarily vulnerable position here, eating anti anxiety meds like they're M&Ms, just to wade back out to get my teeth kicked in some more in the hopes of getting one or two nuggets of wisdom that will help me catch even 1% more of a wave I've waited my whole life for and will likely miss anyway.
Honestly? I've been thinking about this a lot today:
* To be one of the most-frequently *recommended* stories in Ranma spaces, so that new people coming into fanfic (especially new folks coming from the anime reboot) continue to discover the story. So that it becomes "a classic" that routinely generates a comment or two a day across all platforms after it finishes serializing, to keep the flame alive.

* To be a supportive love letter to the trans community, and let it provide the sort of emotional hug that the trans folks who read the story (90% of my audience) routinely tell me it provides. Ideally, to hear from the people it gave good feels to.

* To be recognized as "a work that transcends what fanfiction is supposed to be," which I know is fuzzy, but like... "one of the better fanfic writers out there."

And in order for all three of those things to happen, I need critical mass. I need more people to be aware of it.
There's a particular thing with Ranma, and serious Ranma fic specifically - it is *very* popular in the trans community for obvious reasons, and a *lot* of trans people use it as a way to help them understand their feelings and crack their eggs. Especially given our current climate in America about one political party demonizing trans folks, I can imagine there's a lot of kids out there who are gonna find it on Netflix and realize they've found a place where they can come home. I want to be there for those kids.
You're basing your success, the validation you've received from the readers you have, on something that is wholly out of your control: 1) the viewership reaction to a new reboot of the Ranma 1/2 anime, 2) trans kids and trans people in general who see said anime and therefore might go on read your story, and 3) and the first impressions of other people you've been marketing your story to up to this point. You cannot control any of that, let alone the crazy political atmosphere around us, but your readers have inflated the importance you have've placed on your story to unhealthy levels. Please don't do that to yourself. It's not healthy for you. If you wanna set your story up as a good message to the people you're trying to reach, if you want to have future Ranma fans to find you and your story, then all this fuss about marketing your story starts with how you present yourself.

Marketing your story starts with marketing yourself first, giving people a good impression of you as a writer, so that they might give your story a chance. You can't control whether or not readers decide to read your story, but you CAN control how you present yourself. If you're trying to be a good role model for those kids when they come across your story, if you want potential readers outside of the audience you have now to take you and your story seriously, then presenting yourself in a positive and respectful and mature light will go a long way, trust me.
 

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@AnneOminous respectfully, what do you want? Do you want to be a popular author or do you want THIS story in particular to be popular.

This is the only story I have, and I have no plans to write another in the near term, so the goals are one and the same.
@Fox-Trot-9 Respectfully, it's my therapist's job to figure out what's healthy for me. I'm not trying to delegate those decisions to an internet forum.

I have engaged respectfully with every bit of feedback that isn't "give it up, you probably suck, you have no chance" because those are entirely unhelpful and frankly rude. I'm here to try and find better ways to promote the story. I did not come here to ask you or anyone else to police my emotions. I'm trying to promote a story. I don't need them to marry me.
I love how this thread has long ceased being anything about the story or marketing, and has become "you should smile more so it's easier for all of us to kick you in the teeth."
 
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This is the only story I have, and I have no plans to write another in the near term, so the goals are one and the same.
@Fox-Trot-9 Respectfully, it's my therapist's job to figure out what's healthy for me. I'm not trying to delegate those decisions to an internet forum.

I have engaged respectfully with every bit of feedback that isn't "give it up, you probably suck, you have no chance" because those are entirely unhelpful and frankly rude. I'm here to try and find better ways to promote the story. I did not come here to ask you or anyone else to police my emotions. I'm trying to promote a story. I don't need them to marry me.
I love how this thread has long ceased being anything about the story or marketing, and has become "you should smile more so it's easier for all of us to kick you in the teeth."
As far as I can tell, you are writing a niche fan-novel and expecting mainstream success here.
You are already more successful with one novel than I am with four between two sites, so there is that.
This may be an issue of managing expectations - or it may be that you aren't talking to the right fan groups; I am sure there are dedicated Ranma 1/2 fan groups you could contact for feedback and exposure, and there is a site like this for fan fiction exclusively which might be more receptive.
But, also, after the reboot to the series drops, you might just want to sit tight, get a few chapters uploaded in several places, and see if new fans of the updated show somehow find you (or, if you can find THEM and market directly to them, that would be even better).
 

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As far as I can tell, you are writing a niche fan-novel and expecting mainstream success here.
You are already more successful with one novel than I am with four between two sites, so there is that.
This may be an issue of managing expectations - or it may be that you aren't talking to the right fan groups; I am sure there are dedicated Ranma 1/2 fan groups you could contact for feedback and exposure, and there is a site like this for fan fiction exclusively which might be more receptive.
But, also, after the reboot to the series drops, you might just want to sit tight, get a few chapters uploaded in several places, and see if new fans of the updated show somehow find you (or, if you can find THEM and market directly to them, that would be even better).

I am doing all of this. But people have been telling me for months that "the way you posted your story originally fucked you in X Y Z metadata reasons. Posting schedule, blurb, cover art, breaking up the story into multiple works, yadda yadda." So with this reboot I am trying to nail it to maximize my chances. I don't expect that maximizing said chances is going to quintuple my readership. But a 30% boost from doing the little things right would be significant for me. So I'm trying to dot every I and cross every T, and the reaction I get is "if you think anyone wants to read your stuff, f**k off and die because that makes you egotistical" and I just can't deal with that anymore. Unfortunately SH gives me no way to delete this cursed thread or I'd have done it yesterday because it's 5% good-intentioned advice that's off-base because people couldn't find the salient details in this hellhole of a thread, because it's buried under the 95% of people who are just being cruel for funsies.
 

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I am doing all of this. But people have been telling me for months that "the way you posted your story originally fucked you in X Y Z metadata reasons.
Ah, so you have a history of frustration with this project?
So with this reboot I am trying to nail it to maximize my chances. I don't expect that maximizing said chances is going to quintuple my readership. But a 30% boost from doing the little things right would be significant for me.
Would be significant by most standards, IME!
So I'm trying to dot every I and cross every T, and the reaction I get is "if you think anyone wants to read your stuff, f**k off and die because that makes you egotistical" and I just can't deal with that anymore. Unfortunately SH gives me no way to delete this cursed thread or I'd have done it yesterday because it's 5% good-intentioned advice that's off-base because people couldn't find the salient details in this hellhole of a thread, because it's buried under the 95% of people who are just being cruel for funsies.
Well, I think this may be in part due to the sense of frustration in your original post - people just assuming your frustration comes from believing you are the greatest writer ever if only the world would see it that way. No, that is not the impression you give throughout the thread, but the initial post kind of leans that way, and a lot of posters just kind of took umbrage at it.
 

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Ah, so you have a history of frustration with this project?

Would be significant by most standards, IME!

Well, I think this may be in part due to the sense of frustration in your original post - people just assuming your frustration comes from believing you are the greatest writer ever if only the world would see it that way. No, that is not the impression you give throughout the thread, but the initial post kind of leans that way, and a lot of posters just kind of took umbrage at it.
If you don't want to help, don't help. The propensity of people in these spaces to see someone who is down and immediately flock to kick them is staggering.

I've been fighting this frustration for months. I haven't slept properly in weeks trying to put all this together. I spent all day yesterday in panic attacks while the entire community simultaneously misgendered me and was pissed I wasn't mindful and demure enough while they were telling me I should be grateful I got my gruel and not try for better. People have insulted my writing without reading it, people have been review bombing my story itself - which is beyond the pale for anyone who is an author if you ask me - and telling me that the reason I'm not getting readers is that the people probably just hate me. Yeah, I'm throwing elbows. Instead of people seeing someone who is stressed and frustrated and falling apart over things and offering help and advice, I'm getting mockery and insults, and then they expect the person who was emotionally raw to begin with to let all of that roll off their back and consent to be their punching bag for going on 36 hours.
 

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If you don't want to help, don't help. The propensity of people in these spaces to see someone who is down and immediately flock to kick them is staggering.

I've been fighting this frustration for months. I haven't slept properly in weeks trying to put all this together. I spent all day yesterday in panic attacks while the entire community simultaneously misgendered me and was pissed I wasn't mindful and demure enough while they were telling me I should be grateful I got my gruel and not try for better. People have insulted my writing without reading it, people have been review bombing my story itself - which is beyond the pale for anyone who is an author if you ask me - and telling me that the reason I'm not getting readers is that the people probably just hate me. Yeah, I'm throwing elbows. Instead of people seeing someone who is stressed and frustrated and falling apart over things and offering help and advice, I'm getting mockery and insults, and then they expect the person who was emotionally raw to begin with to let all of that roll off their back and consent to be their punching bag for going on 36 hours.
Review bombs are generally evil (though they CAN also be free publicity in some cases) so yeah, that is beyond the pale (especially if they have not read it.

Also, I have to say one reason why you got such a negative reaction is that about once a week since I joined (early August), a post similar to this has popped up either here, in the general ScribbleHub forum or in the Writing Advice area, and some of the regular posters seem kind of frustrated at seeing different people post the same thing. It is unfortunate that they take this frustration out on you (or anyone), but they do, and sometimes it is, unfortunately, hard NOT to.
 

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This is the only story I have, and I have no plans to write another in the near term, so the goals are one and the same.
@Fox-Trot-9 Respectfully, it's my therapist's job to figure out what's healthy for me. I'm not trying to delegate those decisions to an internet forum.

I have engaged respectfully with every bit of feedback that isn't "give it up, you probably suck, you have no chance" because those are entirely unhelpful and frankly rude. I'm here to try and find better ways to promote the story. I did not come here to ask you or anyone else to police my emotions. I'm trying to promote a story. I don't need them to marry me.
I love how this thread has long ceased being anything about the story or marketing, and has become "you should smile more so it's easier for all of us to kick you in the teeth."
*SMH* Fine, take it however you want.
 

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People have insulted my writing without reading it, people have been review bombing my story itself.
Are they review bombing on another website? I see you got a 5 star review yesterday, and maybe you received 1 or two negative ratings since I checked yesterday.

At best, you could claim that maybe 2 people went and did it. Realistically though, and this is advice coming from someone who has bought ads on Royalroad, the more you push for people to try your story who are outside of it's central audience, the lower your rating will go. I went from a 4.5 on RR to a 4.35 after an ad run. The wider you push the audience, the lower your rating will go. This is true for every story that gets big. Your total rating is still a 4.8. Please don't push this big victim narrative. We've had people's stories legitimately get nuked from orbit for forum posting. We can't even say for certain that these weren't legitimate ratings. They could easily be people who gave it a chance after you were asking people to make it bigger, and then didn't like it. Statistically, it's not unlikely.
 

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Are they review bombing on another website? I see you got a 5 star review yesterday, and maybe you received 1 or two negative ratings since I checked yesterday.

At best, you could claim that maybe 2 people went and did it. Realistically though, and this is advice coming from someone who has bought ads on Royalroad, the more you push for people to try your story who are outside of it's central audience, the lower your rating will go. I went from a 4.5 on RR to a 4.35 after an ad run. The wider you push the audience, the lower your rating will go. This is true for every story that gets big. Your total rating is still a 4.8. Please don't push this big victim narrative. We've had people's stories legitimately get nuked from orbit for forum posting. We can't even say for certain that these weren't legitimate ratings. They could easily be people who gave it a chance after you were asking people to make it bigger, and then didn't like it. Statistically, it's not unlikely.

Statistically the likelihood that 0 people had given it a legitimate 1 star on any platform ever and the first person who did so happened to think the quality was that low - in a 3 hour window of time when people were looking at my story while pissed at me - when it had not happened in excess of a year is... yeah. No.

I'd be happy with a 4.35 and 2-3x the readership.
 

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is unfortunate that they take this frustration out on you (or anyone), but they do, and sometimes it is, unfortunately, hard NOT to.
You know, this is incredibly insulting. If I were less of an idiot, I would've blocked you for this. I was very polite and toiled in this thread for 5 pages. I genuinely tried to help and had to repeat my questions so I can help this person. This 'author' didn't answer them on the first try, nor provide any information on their own. That's despite the fact this person clearly doesn't deserve even a minute of my time. And I am not alone who tried to help. And you say I took my frustrations on someone? You know, I'm tired of being kind. Do you want to know what's happened? The fact of the matter is, OP is a huge dick. This person acts like a dick. And I don't know what kind of brownie points are you farming, but you are no less of a dick for enabling such dickish behavior. If the pill is too hard to swallow, and they will keep playing victim card, this author can fuck off from here. No one cares about a dick with inflated ego, and no one will mourn if they leave. You are welcome.
 
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