How do you feel about rape in stories when done by the Mc

[IDKWtWrite-San]

Bro... what are you eating this day to think of a question like that?

 

[Agentt]

Let it be known that I hate rape, no matter the reason,

But,
I did once met a suicidal girl, who threatened to jump from her balcony if I didn't convince her that living is worthwhile.

One of the reasons I gave was that you can have sex while talking to a client on phone while your 20 so kittens are climbing your leg to meow for food

 

[InceTagn]

This is almost never ever the case unless we're dealing with some very convoluted writing. What story was this? I do know there was that plot point in MGS: The Phantom Pain (Or was it Ground Zeros?) where

Spoiler: squick

Skullface forces Chico to rape Paz

but that had severe consequences for both the perpetrator and the victim, and the act wasn't delivered in a way to tantalize.

Personally, I understand the idea of a forced sexual encounter being arousing, and dark stories have their place, as long as the execution is there, I'll read just about anything, but if your protag is a rapist, they shouldn't be portrayed in a positive light by the narrative unless we're dealing with 1st person stuff. You also need to make it very clear that your story is meant to be taken as brainless smut without any intention of the plot being taken seriously, or if smut is indeed the plot, a la, Corruption of Champions if your going for rape fantasy.

You also have to be aware of your audience's reception to the use of rape for gratification and be aware that no matter how well you treat the subject it will not only kill some people's interest in your story, It'll also damage your reputation. There was a previous thread that broached this topic that may be of interest to you, here.

It happens in many novels.
The Mc Yun Che in Against the Gods rape a woman for this reason. There are other stories, Japanese and Chinese but I just forgot their names.
The rape also happens for a different reason in Heavenly Jewel Change, and Absolute Strengthening technic ( this one was mainly smut I think)
The person preferred dying, but the Mc being so loving, and Caring a rape happened

What if the person wants to die or would rather die than be raped? I don't think it can be justified in that sense.

There is such a thing as consensual nonconsent, but that requires negotiation before the session.

 

[ABCGUY]

No, rape bad, it’s just bad, murder better

Yes mass murdering is better than rape

 

[InceTagn]

Bro... what are you eating this day to think of a question like that?

The thing was that I was reading this story without thinking too much, Its review was pretty good on novel update and all. I went through these scenes without thinking too much. And as I progress in my reading something clicked in my mind. Why is no one bothered about that? The girl got raped, forced to betray her own principle while the author justified the Mc and all. I should have considered the tag ' rape victim become lover' before reading the story.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

The thing was that I was reading this story without thinking too much, Its review was pretty good on novel update and all. I went through these scenes without thinking too much. And as I progress in my reading something clicked in my mind. Why is no one bothered about that? The girl got raped, forced to betray her own principle while the author justified the Mc and all. I should have considered the tag ' rape victim become lover' before reading the story.

A lot of those who write rape as a 'glorified' activity and thinking they can get away with it by giving a 'justified' reason for doing it often has communication problems with other people, especially women. Think of it as some sort of release mechanism for their pent-up stress. It's not that they actually thinking of doing it in real life, but they'd write it up in some sort of self-insert and release because they couldn't hurt a fly in reality.

Well, if you get to their backstories, some of them went through bullying too.

For example, there's a popular writer back here (Wattpad) who writes about her girls always bullied and/or raped by the possessive main guy.

So yeah, in an attempt to answer your question why there are some readers who are not bothered by that, maybe it's because they see themselves in that MC and wish to avenge others' bad disposition towards them. Or, in the case of that Rapey Healer novel and anime, some readers see it justified not only because of revenge, but also of how shitty the companions are to that MC.

 

[BlackKnightX]

I was reading a story, where the Mc raped a woman.
But the action was 'perfectly' justified, it was in other to save her life. The woman tried to kill herself and here I tough: " it is not so bad. It is to save her"

But seen in another way, the woman could have been married, and there for forced by the mc to ntr her husband.
As I started to think about that I got dizzy with all scenarios playing in my head.

What if I was in her place, I am a straight man. And the mc remained a man. I sincerely prefer dying...

I am not a fan of stories where the mc rape a woman.
I kindly prefer reverse rape.

I’ll be honest: as long as the mc’s the one doing it, anything‘s not gonna be as bad. That doesn’t mean that it’s not unpleasant, though.

 

[Lloyd]

Always based. Most women have constant rape fantasies anyway.

 

[BearlyAlive]

Y'all need more Rance in your life. (Seriously, those are some great games even if they're full of "comedy rape")

 

[aattss]

If it's smut, I don't care what happens, at least as long as it's appropriately tagged so people don't end up being surprised by types of content they're not comfortable with.

If it's not smut, then rape is bad, and while it technically might be justified if the author makes up some contrived scenario where someone magically dies if rape doesn't happen, that would still be dumb writing.

 

[2021]

If it's smut, I don't care what happens, at least as long as it's appropriately tagged so people don't end up being surprised by types of content they're not comfortable with.

If it's not smut, then rape is bad, and while it technically might be justified if the author makes up some contrived scenario where someone magically dies if rape doesn't happen, that would still be dumb writing.

RAPE BAD. BAD JUST BAD BAD BAD BA-A-A-A-ADDDDD. BAD!

 

[Deeprotsorcerer]

It happens in many novels.
The Mc Yun Che in Against the Gods rape a woman for this reason. There are other stories, Japanese and Chinese but I just forgot their names.
The rape also happens for a different reason in Heavenly Jewel Change, and Absolute Strengthening technic ( this one was mainly smut I think)
The person preferred dying, but the Mc being so loving, and Caring a rape happened

I don't mean the rape happening, I mean the rape being actually "justified" by logic. The MGS example was done under duress where the perpetrator was forced to commit the act or be tortured (and even then, saying that it was "justified" in that case doesn't really land). The Yun Che example is one of those cases of convoluted writing, he raped Yuechan and the narrative covered his tracks because it didn't want to deal with the human ramifications of such an act. If someone prefers to die instead of being raped, you should let them die. Much in the same way someone who is suffering from stage 4 cancer should be allowed access to euthanasia.

People who provide painful, unwanted, treatment especially, if the "treatment" is something as vile as rape, should not be touted as loving or virtuous, at least not in a pure sense (the LISA series displays a perfect example of how to portray people doing the wrong things for the "right" reasons, with all the moral/ethical consequences intact). Rape victims often feel violated enough to kill themselves after, such is the psychological damage caused. Yun Che's desire to keep Yuechan from being crippled in such a way, in a culture with heavy honor values no less, was selfish at best. It was only by the grace of plot armor that things didn't turn out horrible for their relationship. I'm not saying that an author shouldn't have creative freedom, but when your protagonist does something like this, don't expect them to receive half of the sympathy they previously had.

The entire situation reads as forced, too, like the author pulled the "virgin seed" thing straight out of their ass. It's a mess and a half.

 

[2021]

This question was stupid, and the person ho asked is stupid for asking this stupid question

 

[AliceShiki]

If I'm reading a random hentai doujinshi, then I couldn't care less about the justifications of the act or whatever, since I'm there just for the lewd scenes anyways.

On any other story, I'd instantly drop it if the MC was raping someone, no matter what. If the author tried justifying it, then that's just more reason to drop it.

... And since some people mentioned the murder comparison here, I'll just say that I'd also drop stuff if the MC is murdering someone tbh. I'm fine with MC killing monsters, and am also fine with the MC fighting battles for the sake of their own life (or their loved ones' lives) and something, which ends up needing to kill someone... Or if they just go to war or whatever, I'm also okay with them killing in a war.

But if the MC murders people like a psychopath xianxia MC that kills anyone that offended them, then yeah, I'm dropping it.


And on a side note, I'd actually be pretty interested in reading a story where the MC was raped. I think that's way more interesting than a rapist MC~

 

[ConansWitchBaby]

One of the most recent examples in memory is Redo of Healer as to what I don't mind at all. It just takes the common kneejerk reaction when someone says to rape the rapist but, instead of simply talking about it the author goes ahead and does it to them. It's the only form I find acceptable that isn't specifically created for scripted porn. Everything else is either convoluted or sickening. And I don't want to use my brain that much when reading.

 

[Kenjona]

Uhg, was it a Xianxia "Aphrodisiac, I am gonna die unless you have sex with me" scenario? I hate those, there are so many ways around that fucked up scenario, without actually having to rape the victim. Even if you cannot get to an antidote. Which if there is gonna be that kind of drug, in a Xianxia world, there should be a antidote. And why the F* would you NOT have it available to all your disciples especially the female ones.

There was one story that turned it on its head, by edging close to it; female disciple of a sect got the aphrodisiac in her system from wannabe scum bag rapist. MC was able to stop the rape (by beating up scumbag of course) and was able to contact a friend to get ahold of the antidote.

 

[InceTagn]

This question was stupid, and the person ho asked is stupid for asking this stupid question

Indeed I am quite stupid. I can admit that much. I was just trying to make my mind

Uhg, was it a Xianxia "Aphrodisiac, I am gonna die unless you have sex with me" scenario? I hate those, there are so many ways around that fucked up scenario, without actually having to rape the victim. Even if you cannot get to an antidote. Which if there is gonna be that kind of drug, in a Xianxia world, there should be a antidote. And why the F* would you NOT have it available to all your disciples especially the female ones

It was more the kind were the rape happened to heal her against her wish in a world were honor is one of the most important thing. Also she was in a sect that asked to a woman to remain a virgin.

It was the only way the author could make her join the Mc's harem.



At a letter date he went to her sect, and hearing that she was sent away, well, he get furious like any Chinese MC

 

[Kenjona]

Indeed I am quite stupid. I can admit that much. I was just trying to make my mind

It was more the kind were the rape happened to heal her against her wish in a world were honor is one of the most important thing. Also she was in a sect that asked to a woman to remain a virgin.

It was the only way the author could make her join the Mc's harem.



At a letter date he went to her sect, and hearing that she was sent away, well, he get furious like any Chinese MC

Yeah, that entire bit is a pretty common trope. Against the Gods does it (constantly it seems) and a few others.

 

[TheTrinary]

Anything could work. . . but I don't think web novel authors are clever enough to pull it off. I don't think most professional authors are either. You have to be very, very good if you're going to touch something like that and not make it sleezy.

 

[BomBomBom]

I kindly prefer reverse rape.

I'm sorry for asking this question, but what is reverse rape? Isn't rape is rape?

Also NO. Regardless the situation, the person or whatever the case, rape is rape. If it's done by some random villains/thugs in the story, i can tolerate it because I know the author probably use it to show how bad the bad guy is. If it's done by the mc, no. I will probably stop reading right away and never look back.