Dungeon rations are stupid

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They are truly stupid. Jerky and stale bread and some water can’t support a human body, unless that jerky is super charged with vitamins and stuff it couldn’t.


The body could last of that for like 3 day minimum a week tops
 

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The body could last of that for like 3 day minimum a week tops
Uh wut? What exactly do you think the body is and the importance of vitamins is? Not taking vitamins for a dungeon trip is not a big deal at all.

The body can easily survive 20+ days without food and only water. I have went without food for a week without any problems before. Have you ever heard about hunger strikes or fasting before?

If anything, the food works well and complaining about how low the water they carry with them makes much more sense.
 

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Uh wut? What exactly do you think the body is and the importance of vitamins is? Not taking vitamins for a dungeon trip is not a big deal at all.

The body can easily survive 20+ days without food and only water. I have went without food for a week without any problems before. Have you ever heard about hunger strikes or fasting before?

If anything, the food works well and complaining about how low the water they carry with them makes much more sense.
I have, but only having those is worst than starving. But fighting monster and shit you got to be at full strength.


Also only talking one bottle worth of water for a week is pretty stupid
 

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I have, but only having those is worst than starving. But fighting monster and shit you got to be at full strength.


Also only talking one bottle worth of water for a week is pretty stupid
And that is what the carbs and fat from the jerky is for. In a damp environment like dungeon shit tasting food that will be preserved without issues is just better too.

So can it be better? Sure.

Is it an efficient idea that satisfies the stomach, your budget and the requirements while being easy for the general dungeon diving populace to acquire? Yes - and thus it isnt stupid.
 

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Sorry but I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding how the body works. All you need for dungeon rations is carbs and protein. Long term it isn't good for you, but many vitamins are fat soluble, so you will have a store of them inside your body. The main vitamin you would lack is vitamin C, but you can easily go without it for months before developing scurvy.
 

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Sorry but I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding how the body works. All you need for dungeon rations is carbs and protein. Long term it isn't good for you, but many vitamins are fat soluble, so you will have a store of them inside your body. The main vitamin you would lack is vitamin C, but you can easily go without it for months before developing scurvy.
Dunno I’m only basing off from my knowledge, but I know people can’t survive months of jerky
 

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Dunno I’m only basing off from my knowledge, but I know people can’t survive months of jerky
Do you know anything about the history of sailing? People literally survived months with just hard tack and watered down alcohol, all while still having to do their jobs as sailors. You could easy survive a month on jerky, let alone a single week.
 

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Do you know anything about the history of sailing? People literally survived months with just hard tack and watered down alcohol, all while still having to do their jobs as sailors. You could easy survive a month on jerky, let alone a single week.
Dunno I wrote that while I had like 1 hr of sleep
 

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Humans can survive a surprisingly long time on things like jerky. We've been doing it for almost as long as we've been humans. If it's for a month or two, there's no problems; any longer than that and you have to be careful about what kinds of things you're eating (you need organ meats if you haven't got another source of vitamins, things like that), but it's absolutely doable.

Under those circumstances, it's best if you can also forage, but when that's not possible, humans make do. You can totally survive on preserved rations in a high activity job, temporarily.
 

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Humans can survive a surprisingly long time on things like jerky. We've been doing it for almost as long as we've been humans. If it's for a month or two, there's no problems; any longer than that and you have to be careful about what kinds of things you're eating (you need organ meats if you haven't got another source of vitamins, things like that), but it's absolutely doable.

Under those circumstances, it's best if you can also forage, but when that's not possible, humans make do. You can totally survive on preserved rations in a high activity job, temporarily.
But now are bodies are all weak from not needing to hunt and start for awhile
 

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still are stupid. Jerky and just water is a bad idea for a while, your arse is not gonna be happy
 

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If we're talking about a fantasy where dungeon appears, it's no big deal to only get ration like bread or jerky since they can be eaten anytime you want.

Since you also have a mage or something, having a water from him/her can remove the one problem from your list which is the water consumption.

If the dungeon gives you monster corpse rather than gem to give you some easy money, you can just cook it if you're good from dismantling and know how to cook. That's pretty much about it if you're dungeon gives you corpses but if it's like a modern one where no magic, it will be pretty hard.

You have to get a carrier person so that you can have supply for engaging in a dungeon, You have to minimize you're proportion to last for a long time and be able to handle and know what weakness the monster you're battling with.
 

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If we're talking about a fantasy where dungeon appears, it's no big deal to only get ration like bread or jerky since they can be eaten anytime you want.

Since you also have a mage or something, having a water from him/her can remove the one problem from your list which is the water consumption.

If the dungeon gives you monster corpse rather than gem to give you some easy money, you can just cook it if you're good from dismantling and know how to cook. That's pretty much about it if you're dungeon gives you corpses but if it's like a modern one where no magic, it will be pretty hard.

You have to get a carrier person so that you can have supply for engaging in a dungeon, You have to minimize you're proportion to last for a long time and be able to handle and know what weakness the monster you're battling with.
true, true, but I think people should have atleast more in "Adventure basic gear" than just a few items
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The meat can be poison
 

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Dunno I’m only basing off from my knowledge, but I know people can’t survive months of jerky
I kinda agree in this thought process since their is appetite and mental state to consider. Moreover in the dungeon, their are a lot of fighting. Soldiers in a war who only eats jerky definitely have poor morale just like how dungeon runs are an uphill battle. I remember chrysalis, a very good dungeon novel. Their, even the human legionnaires who fights in the dungeons take care of their basic human needs not limited to jerkies since they literally fight their for years. Chrysalis have the best dungeon logic in RR, so I can't help but mention it here.

Jerky alone is kind of stupid, really... They are not an advantage, they're more likely a choice forced on your circumstances. Their is no smarter choice of a ration in dungeon delving unless you have a magical cook by your side.
 

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You don't get it - it's a ploy to lead adventurers to spend all their hard earnings on actual food after they emerge from dungeon...
 

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If you think that's stupid, wait until you hear about people who only carried preserved eggs on their two months journey in South East Asia in the middle ages. All they had on hand were half a dozen preserved eggs and a bag of water. That's it. While they could restock in towns or villages they passed through, there weren't that many towns or villages in the first place. So they'd be spending half a month completely on their own. They'd have to forage for food on their own to supplement their food supply. Why not carry more? Because they have lot other luggage to carry, and they can't be encumbered by their luggage. They didn't even carry tents because it would be a burden when they have to climb up or down mountains or differing elevations. Plus, those luggage would make them slower, and they needed the speed. The faster they leave the forest, the better it would be for them.

As for adventurer rations, Ai-chan thinks jerky and bread is already quite a luxury. When Ai-chan was a girl scout in high school, the scout teacher put us in groups of 4 and provided us with 1kg of flour, 1 packet of curry powder, 1 bag of dried fish and 1 packet of elemental sulphur (not for eating). Each of us carried 2 bottles of 500ml mineral water. We were expected to choose a site, make a camp and survive in the forest entirely on our own for 4 days.

Each group were given a 2-way portable radio for minimal use:
1. To provide the teacher our coordinate, so if we read the map wrong, that's one point knocked off the list
2. To provide daily update of up to 3 minutes every morning and night.
3. To request for assistance in cases of emergency
4. To inform of moving camp or to return to basecamp

We had a lot of problems, particular when we got lost when we moved camp the first time. But that flour and dried fish, we only used half of them for 4 of us in that entire 4 days. And we had to bake them. So to Ai-chan, having ready to eat jerky and bread on a travel is already a big luxury. We didn't have that kind of luxury for our badge tests.
 

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history shows that human warriors are quite capable of killing one another on low or shitty rations. Sure, a well fed warrior performs better, yet jerky, water and bread can and will sustain the body if consumed in sufficient amounts. that said, no excuse not to round out yer pack with dried fruit and nuts, and biltong>jerky, rusks>bread for long undertakings imo. Also, depends on timeframe: invention of canned food drastically changed aspects of logistics in warfare, and far-ranging adventurers would surely lug some cans around barring modern tech you see with MRE's, unless they got the lay of the land and can sufficiently hunt/forage(And here environment plays a role---ranging into a desert requires better planning and provisioning than, say, entering a dungeon near a settlement or within farmlands)

then again, depending on moral scruples, you can always shove a goblin on a spit and have a good barbie. Also depends on dungeon, certain creatures will surely have stores of food and drink if they are to sequester themselves underground for any length of time, maybe even mushroom farms and therefore beer/wine, hunting packs roving outside, rat farms etc. dungeons reached by portals/dislocation different, as at times a writer won't bother supplying the inhabitants with a food source... sorta game logic you see in some LitRPG's.

that said, if your adventurers got their shit straight, they'll probably be rolling up with a few mules or porters laden with supplies. can always have folk camped outside dungeon, cooks hunters etc. who then make supplying runs into the depths, maybe even moving up camp as the party progresses.
 
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