Downloadable PDF of Your Stories

ThatTwat3000

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Exactly as the title says, I think an implementation of a “Download Your Novel” button on your Story Edit page would be amazing for authors who want to keep a backup of their story on their personal devices.

  • It will eliminate the need to go and write on an external platform and copy+paste to Scribble Hub.
  • It will eliminate the tedious process of copy+pasting every single published chapter to your personal device.
  • You Authors can offer downloadable content to your users for offline viewing
 
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Would this be heavy on the server side
 

AYM

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Bruh
  1. Why aren't you already keeping a backup of your story?
  2. You write on a separate platform. Copy and paste is two commands. Unless you use zero because you write on Scribble Hub Text Editor.
  3. Offering offline viewing to readers will skew view statistics. Then you're going to ask for some other measurement to calculate engagement. And authors who offer offline PDFs already post links.
  4. Offering offline viewing to readers invalidates on-site reader utility and author-reader engagement. What is your alternative to bookmarks? Reading Lists? Favorites? Comments? Reviews? Offline copies can't alert you about new chapters.
  5. Someone else can copy your contents and upload it on a different site or publish it under their name. Shit like this already happens, but this type of feature makes it easier. I don't think SH has any protection features built into the site.
  6. This sounds like a huge pain to implement and SH is run by one guy. It also decreases his ad revenue.
 
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ThatTwat3000

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Would this be heavy on the server side
The website already keeps backups of drafts for up to 14 days. Text files don’t take up much space, maybe 1Mb at max . All ~200k users of SH wouldn’t ask for a download link at once. Maybe 1,000 over the course of a day, or on the day the feature is released. I do not think it would take up too many resources on the server side.

Bruh
  1. Why aren't you already keeping a backup of your story?
  2. You write on a separate platform. Copy and paste is two commands. Unless you use zero because you write on Scribble Hub Text Editor.
  3. Offering offline viewing to readers will skew view statistics. Then you're going to ask for some other measurement to calculate engagement. And authors who offer offline PDFs already post links.
  4. Offering offline viewing to readers invalidates on-site reader utility and author-reader engagement. What is your alternative to bookmarks? Reading Lists? Favorites? Comments? Reviews? Offline copies can't alert you about new chapters.
  5. Someone else can copy your contents and upload it on a different site or publish it under their name. Shit like this already happens, but this type of feature makes it easier. I don't think SH has any protection features built into the site.
  6. This sounds like a huge pain to implement and SH is run by one guy. It also decreases his ad revenue.

Addressing points 1 and 2: I am already keeping a backup of my story. However, it would drive more engagement to the site if everything was already there without the need to go to different places. It would also be an additional distinguishing feature of Scribble Hub compared to other writing websites.

Addressing points 3 and 4: Offline viewing could be a real draw for subscribers, like a juicy Patreon perk. We're not talking about killing engagement here; it's about giving authors more ways to connect with their readers. You do not seem to understand that the offline viewing is strictly a form of freedom for the author, and one that can be used as an incentive for the author to gain more paying subscribers. Actually, let me further explain things I thought I didn’t need to explain. A PDF file would not be hosted on Scribble Hub. Why would it? The website isn’t a filehost. This statement invalidates all the arguments in point 4. How did you come to the conclusion that offline viewing invalidates author-reader engagement? It is a feature for the author side, not the reader side. It is completely up to the author how they wish to utilize the feature. To help you understand, go look in your account settings in the forums. How many of those settings have you personalized? How many have you not? It’s your choice what you do with those settings. Similarly, it is up to the author’s creativity with how they would wish to utilize the feature. I simply suggested they can use it as a paying-subscriber’s Patreon benefits (downloadable chapters which means offline viewing), though maybe I wasn’t as clear as hoped.

Addressing point 5: Scribble Hub actually enlists the help of Cloudflare to prevent web scrapers from copying the website. So... if anyone has to steal chapters, they will need to manually copy and paste and format each chapter. You know what a person will have to do to copy PDF files, if offered? Manually copy and paste and format each chapter. There is literally no additional risk. It is the same no matter what.

Addressing point 6: It’s a feature request. A request. It isn’t set in stone. It is a suggestion. It is a spark for creativity.

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An SD card is a personal device. A USB flash drive is a personal device. In fact, a vibrating bluetooth tail buttplug is a personal device. What is your point?
 

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There should be a google Extension to turn your book to epub, which you can turn into pdf, though I don't remember it's name.
 

AYM

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Addressing points 1 and 2: I am already keeping a backup of my story. However, it would drive more engagement to the site if everything was already there without the need to go to different places. It would also be an additional distinguishing feature of Scribble Hub compared to other writing websites.
Please explain why you need to go to different places to get your chapters. Are you not saving your story on your computer?

You save your story locally, and you copy and paste the chapters to upload. To upload to multiple platforms, you copy and paste the same text into the text editors of the platforms. I only see this feature as repetitive, not distinguishing, and I don't see how it drives more engagement.

Addressing points 3 and 4: Offline viewing could be a real draw for subscribers, like a juicy Patreon perk. We're not talking about killing engagement here; it's about giving authors more ways to connect with their readers. You do not seem to understand that the offline viewing is strictly a form of freedom for the author, and one that can be used as an incentive for the author to gain more paying subscribers. Actually, let me further explain things I thought I didn’t need to explain. A PDF file would not be hosted on Scribble Hub. Why would it? The website isn’t a filehost. This statement invalidates all the arguments in point 4. How did you come to the conclusion that offline viewing invalidates author-reader engagement? It is a feature for the author side, not the reader side. It is completely up to the author how they wish to utilize the feature. To help you understand, go look in your account settings in the forums. How many of those settings have you personalized? How many have you not? It’s your choice what you do with those settings. Similarly, it is up to the author’s creativity with how they would wish to utilize the feature. I simply suggested they can use it as a paying-subscriber’s Patreon benefits (downloadable chapters which means offline viewing), though maybe I wasn’t as clear as hoped.
In my response, I assumed you wanted the site to combine all story chapters into a single PDF, but you seem to want a different PDF file per chapter. Now I'm more confused about the purpose of this feature. Maybe its a compromise for using lighter resources but the feature is more niche. It also sounds less usable if a book has 500 chapters.

Yes, offline viewing and downloadable chapters is like a Patreon perk, which is why authors do it on Patreon or sell their ePub on another website. Patreon already incorporated a tier system with incrementing benefits for the higher tiers, which authors like to also use to provide advance chapters. It is a service the author provides to the reader. Unless you've set all of your posts to be open, people cannot freely gain those benefits.

Paying subscribers like moving to Patreon to read because they usually can read and comment on advance chapters. On Scribble Hub you increase engagement by increasing your visibility by in novel views, favorites, and readers. Nobody pays to read on Scribble Hub. No, your explanation did not invalidate point 4 and nowhere in Point 4 did I say anything about hosting PDF files on SH. I also didn't say anything about hosting PDF files in Point 3.

I'm saying the feature decreases engagement on this site because readers are downloading the chapter and not actually viewing it. In offline reading, you can't favorite or comment on chapters. Find a spelling mistake? You can't point it out offline and you'll forget after an hour. Comment :blob_cookie:? You can't because you're offline.

Addressing point 5: Scribble Hub actually enlists the help of Cloudflare to prevent web scrapers from copying the website. So... if anyone has to steal chapters, they will need to manually copy and paste and format each chapter. You know what a person will have to do to copy PDF files, if offered? Manually copy and paste and format each chapter. There is literally no additional risk. It is the same no matter what.
The point made more sense if you assume the PDF was the entire novel. The site has Cloudflare but SH authors still had their stories scraped, so no comment. My point is about how it's easier to copy text on SH than other sites that block inspection. SH is also not Amazon-affiliated like RR so its harder to pretend to be the author and secretly sell it.

Addressing point 6: It’s a feature request. A request. It isn’t set in stone. It is a suggestion. It is a spark for creativity.
I know it's a feature request. I'm replying why I don't think the feature request will be accepted. I also know a lot of feature requests aren't addressed because SH is only run by a single guy. A lot of people want SH to add a discontinued/potentially abandoned story status, but the guy seems like he already has his hands full so features aren't added easily or quickly.



If you still want to give readers a way to download chapter PDF files, you can attach links to file host sites in your Author notes, and it's something every author can do without asking Tony to add another mechanic. Scribble Hub also has ways to connect your SH account to Patreon, Ko-Fi, etc.
 

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I don't think it's a bad idea, but why a pdf? There are better formats for reading offline on a device, like epub. And if you write in word or google docs or the more infinitely based libre office, you can turn your chapters into a pdf with a single button click anyway. It seems kind of redundant to add the same feature here.
 

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Upload your story to AO3; they have the option built into their site. I requested this quite a while ago, but the reception has been bad for some reason.
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