Why are writers fighting the future AI?

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I'd rather read a shit story with no ai used than AI slop. simple as that
Fair enough but this is a preference, which is duly noted.
Care to elaborate why?
Hey, I think I haven't read a proper book that's completely written by AI, yet. Perhaps that's why I can't feel the exact level of frustration that others do.

Can anyone recommend me a book that is definitely written by AI? I wanna know how bad it is...
I haven't read a proper book that was completely written by AI, either. Can anyone point me towards one?

However, some authors did freely admit to using AI during the writing process and were not ashamed of it, e.g. Margaret Atwood, Salman Rushdie, Neil Gaiman, Brandon Sanderson, Ian McEwan, Joyce Carol Oates, Tead Chiang. These are the most famous (? successful) ones.
This is out there on the public domain.

Buy any book off the shelf published nowadays from a contemporary author, AI will be present at one stage or another admitted or not.

I think the debate is not about AI completely writing books, the debate is about AI is being used as an aid.

Some commenters, however, do not want to see or acknowledge the difference.
 
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I would like to thank all you writers for your opinions and thoughts and feelings. I learned a lot. Also I learned something else I need to start reading more of your stuff because that's can help me improve my writing again, thank you.
 

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AI is useful for pointing out grammatical mistakes and plot consistency errors (NotebookLM has been quite useful for that and prevented logical errors within my works). However, anything other than that, I absolutely abhor. Having an AI do something for you (i.e. writing your story, creating story outlines for you) is abominable and a fundamental affront to the literary craft. It lacks the human soul and heart that is put into a work, and it can really show with dialogue that feels like it was pulled straight from Reddit. Even with what I said about me using AI for grammatical and plot consistency fixes, I take them as suggestions, not something to override what I wrote. Also, having an AI say "If you want, I can do X for you..." is really annoying and shows a lack of sincerity and awareness as to what you uploaded to it to analyze for editing. Tech companies need to stop doing that.
 
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AI is useful for pointing out grammatical mistakes and plot consistency errors (NotebookLM has been quite useful for that and prevented logical errors within my works). However, anything other than that, I absolutely abhor. Having an AI do something for you (i.e. writing your story, creating story outlines for you) is abominable and a fundamental affront to the literary craft. It lacks the human soul and heart that is put into a work, and it can really show with dialogue that feels like it was pulled straight from Reddit. Even with what I said about me using AI for grammatical and plot consistency fixes, I take them as suggestions, not something to override what I wrote. Also, having an AI say "If you want, I can do X for you..." is really annoying and shows a lack of sincerity and awareness as to what you uploaded to it to analyze for editing. Tech companies need to stop doing that.
I applaud your balanced view on this.
 

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These discussions pop up daily now. I always hear, "Why? Just why?"

Show me one AI-generated/modified story on SH that's successful. If you can't, just accept that AI stories are not something people enjoy.
 

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Hey, I think I haven't read a proper book that's completely written by AI, yet. Perhaps that's why I can't feel the exact level of frustration that others do.

Can anyone recommend me a book that is definitely written by AI? I wanna know how bad it is...
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Amateur prompter: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/1...write/chapter/2818151/chapter-1-a-second-shot

Experienced prompter:
These discussions pop up daily now. I always hear, "Why? Just why?"

Show me one AI-generated/modified story on SH that's successful. If you can't, just accept that AI stories are not something people enjoy.

There are quite a few. But unless the authors tag them as such, I wouldn’t call them out here.
 
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Random picks (skimmed only)
Amateur prompter: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/1...write/chapter/2818151/chapter-1-a-second-shot

Experienced prompter:


There are quite a few. But unless the authors tag them as such, I wouldn’t call them out here.
The first one was... I have no words... It was so bad that I felt even AI wouldn't write in such a way.


The second one though, it's formatting was messed up which made the experience worse but yeah, I think I somewhat understand now...
 

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I've been noticing a recurring debate among writers: pro-AI vs. anti-AI. But here's my take.

Think about what happened when photography was introduced. Anyone could pick up a camera, but that didn't kill painting. It actually did two things: it made visual capture more efficient and accessible, AND it pushed painters to become true specialists. The best painters didn't disappear. They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued.

I think AI is doing the same thing to writing. Those who choose not to use it are going to rise to the top as the best of the best, pure craftspeople. Those who do use AI tools are going to become highly efficient and still produce great work. Either way.
LLM’s are a tool. One that absolutely sucks at creative writing. After reading a page, it doesn’t take a genius to tell what was written by a human, what was written by an AI, and what was enhanced by one. The only times an AI work, enhanced or fully LLM, is better than human work is when comparing it to humans who are too lazy to use a grammar checker. Even someone with a partial understanding of English writes more interesting than any AI I have seen so far.

There is a reason why AI writing is called slop. At the base layer is a neural net that predicts the next letter/token, making it an advanced form of predictive text. Then above that is a layer that checks the lower level and sees if its response fits the prompt. Then there are various layers to make the writing more interesting, accurate, etcetera. However at the fundamental level it is just predictive text guessing at what the most likely next letter, word, etc. will be after being trained on an extremely large selection of text. It is an average word generator, or more accurately an average word generator targeted at the prompt, and with grammar and context recognition.
 
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Random picks (skimmed only)
Amateur prompter: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/1...write/chapter/2818151/chapter-1-a-second-shot

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There are quite a few. But unless the authors tag them as such, I wouldn’t call them out here.

LLM’s are a tool. One that absolutely sucks at creative writing. After reading a page, it doesn’t take a genius to tell what was written by a human, what was written by an AI, and what was enhanced by one. The only times an AI work, enhanced or fully LLM, is better than human work is when comparing it to humans who are too lazy to use a grammar checker. Even someone with a partial understanding of English writes more interesting than any AI I have seen so far.

There is a reason why AI writing is called slop. At the base layer is a neural net that predicts the next letter/token, making it an advanced form of predictive text. Then above that is a layer that checks the lower level and sees if its response fits the prompt. Then there are various layers to make the writing more interesting, accurate, etcetera. However at the fundamental level it is just predictive text guessing at what the most likely next letter, word, etc. will be after being trained on an extremely large selection of text. It is an average word generator, or more accurately an average word generator targeted at the prompt, and with grammar and context recognition.
Thanks for this. I like the way the argument is presented.
 

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I always say "do you want to be right, or do you want to survive?" Sometimes those things aren't incompatible. You'll never win the fight against A.I, even if you go kicking and screaming to your own funeral, so it just doesn't make sense to die on that hill. What's left is figuring out how to adapt in this landscape. After heavily researching what A.I is capable of, what the technokings are actually aiming for, and how it's likely to play out over the next decade, it's really a non-worry. People say it all the time, but it's basically like the typewriter being invented and insisting on using a pen. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you're not going to use the typewriter, than you better double down on your handwriting.

Online artists are the canary in the coal mine. For decades they've been able to monetize a single picture for $30-300. Throwing a tantrum when A.I can literally outproduce you by thousands of times over is just a slow death march. I'm not an artist, so it took me 5-6 years to actually think about this, but... All they have to do is draw two things. A.I got really good at making one thing, and so many artists flipped out, but even in 2026, getting several consistent images is incredibly difficult for A.I. You literally can just make your art more complex than what A.I can handle (like a comic), and you're back in business.

What does this mean for authors? Same thing. The A.I got really great are replicating mediocrity. Aside from that, A.I-ing some high-level prose isn't going to actually do anything. You'll alienate the average person, AND you'll draw the negative attention of anyone that actually honed their skill in a way that they can identify a fraud immediately. Prose is basically A.I's only strength, and it will give the same 5-Star dish to everyone, so at best you'll just be a copycat going down that route. Everything else A.I does is really not all that incredible once you realize how it works. I'd be more worried about the brain cells they have playing video games in petri dishes. Seriously, if A.I can actually match your skill in 2026, then it really is a skill issue, because it just doesn't have the tools or financial incentives to match human creativity. No one wants A.I to literally replace creativity, so companies aren't going to pour money into that purposely. Even if you point at some sites or apps that promise that, it's almost a guarantee they're just using a prompted version of a popular all-purpose A.I.

A.I can write a werewolf romance novella because humans copied each other enough to make it easy for the A.I to copy too. If you want a story about a girl with two love interests and they're CEOs or werewolves, then the main issue for an author becomes actually finding something halfway unique to write. A.I could maybe write something like Harry Potter by accident, but since it has no will of it's own, someone's going to have to read the shitty prompts over and over again, meanwhile platforms are actively making A.I spam harder. Then when you get to the second Harry Potter book, the problems are even more clear. A.I isn't capable of true foreshadowing, or even truly harnessing any common literary tool. It only understands patterns. It can't have a Chekov's Gun, because it won't remember it, understand the significance of it, or know how to make it meaningful on a human level. It literally can only do what's predictable, even when prompted to be unpredictable. At best you'll end up with nonsense. There basically isn't any reasonable reality in which A.I replaces the oldest art form: storytelling.

Forget the environment and the tech monopolies. You wanna know why people shouldn't use A.I? Because nobody reads a book for algorithmic averageness. That's too many steps when you could just watch a TikTok. If it's a matter of money, then spammers gonna spam, but other than that, there's nothing truly creative you can get out of A.I. Even if A.I floods the market, it will just increase the demand for real authorship.

I'd worry more if I was a musician, because most music is already so painfully generic, that A.I could easily replace it. If all the top hits of Summer 2026 were A.I, we'd never be able to tell. Never forget that by the time these unwieldly pieces of tech get into our hands, they've already passed through the hands of the elites. They're not gonna die on some moral hill while everyone else argues. The reason to not use A.I is simply because humans are better. I could run this all through A.I and have a better prose, but it still doesn't change that the A.I couldn't actually do it from scratch. Wake me up when the AGI gets here.
 

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I've been noticing a recurring debate among writers: pro-AI vs. anti-AI. But here's my take.

Think about what happened when photography was introduced. Anyone could pick up a camera, but that didn't kill painting. It actually did two things: it made visual capture more efficient and accessible, AND it pushed painters to become true specialists. The best painters didn't disappear. They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued.

I think AI is doing the same thing to writing. Those who choose not to use it are going to rise to the top as the best of the best, pure craftspeople. Those who do use AI tools are going to become highly efficient and still produce great work. Either way.
Here's the thing... You misunderstand the nature of LLMs and how they work, and are using an improper analogy to try to justify them.

For our purposes, we'll focus on LLMs, the current AI type everyone is talking about as there are and have been many other varieties. LLMs are nothing more than over-complicated messes of decision trees with arbitrarily weighted paths (statistical percentages) that the computer then rolls dice against to figure out which arbitirarily captured sequence of bits (tokens) it should spit out. There's no cognition. There's no understanding. There's no innovation happening. It's just reguritating scraps of what it has digested.

The take aways from this:
1. The person prompting the AI has no real involvement in what happens with the generation of the output.
2. The LLM needs source material to have anything to output. It needs to not only tokenize data, it needs to see examples to construct the weighted paths in the decision trees it generates.
3. The LLM is confined to what it has seen and nothing else.

I work with Ph.D. researchers in generative AI fields and have designed and built their GPU research servers and workstations. I've read the papers behind LLMs. Do they have a place in the world? Yes. Is it anywhere the TechBros keep pushing? HELL NO. It's just the latest grift, since NFTs tanked.


Now, taking your photography vs painters example, pointing out a few issues...

Most painters weren't valueable until after they died. Most remained pretty destitute and hopeful to have a rich patron one day.
"The best painters didn't disappear."- Not that great of a statement, since we only know of the painters that were the most prolific and discovered. Survivorship bias happening here.
"They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued." - Nope. Just read up about the lives of most famous painters in the day. Most were treated like garbage by their patrons, even with photograhpy existing. In fact most art today is only valued as a way to laundry money and help with tax evasion for the super rich.
Early photography was a VERY laborious and expensive process, and pretty hit or miss on the quality. So, it didn't really challenge painting for quite some time, and by then... Painting was someonthing old the rich paid for anyway, even back in the day.

Now, discussing the general comparison between photography... More issues...
Photography still requires significant human involvement to produce anything. You have to pick the subjects, pick the place, setup the lighting, figure out which lenses to use, decide the composition of the scene, arrange the subject matter, set exposures, set appatures, and so forth. Then if you are doing film photography, there's type of film, running the developing process (which has multiple stages depending on if it's color of black and white), exposing the film properly, getting the enlarger right, and hoping you time everything correctly. That's not mentioning a huge amount of clean up, too.

Painting actually has similar human involvement. The capture processes are different... BUT... Both require significant human involvement and decisions to create the final product. The human is deciding in either processes to shape and mold the end product.

LLMs remove the human element completely. You just let a machine roll virtual dice with your prompt as some kind of less than random initial starting point in the mass of decision trees within the LLM. That's it. There's nothing more to it.

And if you look at what LLMs are doing for writing and art... It's just flooding the market with slop. It was hard for regular people to get noticed for their writing and art, and now it's even HARDER and getting worse. All that LLMs are doing is doing what mass produced crap goods have done for centuries: Flood the markets with quantity to the point it crowds out quality, makes it hard to find quality, and forces quality producers to leave the market because they can't get the attention and income they need to continue. This is and has been happening in writing and art communities since LLMs got to certain point. What's more, you have scammers protraying themselves as regualr artists shilling AI slop for cut rate prices, driving actual artists out of business.

Ever wonder why consumer appliances are garbage now? Because other companies started slapping out cheaper, worse made crap at cut-rate prices, lowering the average price point, and quality makers had to lower their standards to lower prices to get closer to that new average price point. Then, those quality brands get sold to (or bought after bankruptcy by) cheaper producers, and crap gets relabeled as the prior quality brand.

So the whole "Those who choose not to use it are going to rise to the top as the best of the best, pure craftspeople." point is demonstrably FALSE. And "Those who do use AI tools are going to become highly efficient and still produce great work." also incorrect. Yes, those that use LLMs are going to become highly efficient, but it they will not generate great work. They will mass dump it to try to make money via confusion and market flooding.

I would recommend reading up about recent history when it comes to capitalism.


Back to original analogy...
Painting and Photography are processes that allows the involved human to express themselves by the nature of process itself.

LLMs are systems that take existing materials and output less than random data based on that existing material with minimum human involvement, certainly not to any degree to allow expression outside of what the LLM has within it and rerolling outputs.

Photography never supplanted painting, because they serve different end goals, purposes, and aestetics. They were never a challeneger to the other.

Current popular LLM use is DESIGNED to supplant, subvert, and remove people from writing and art.
 

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The bourgeoisie (AI), wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie (AI) has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie (AI) has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

- Manifesto of the Communist Party

Since I was reading that today... I wanted to add this.

"These labourers, who must sell themselves piecemeal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and re consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.
Owing to the extensive use of machinery, and to the division of labour, the work of the proletarians has lost all individual character, and, consequently, all charm for the workman. He becomes an appendage of the machine, and it only the most simple, most monotonous, and most easily acquired knack, that is required of him. Hence, the cost of production of a workman is restricted, almost entirely, to the means of subsistence that he requires for maintenance, and for the propagation of his race."

Think about what happened when photography was introduced. Anyone could pick up a camera, but that didn't kill painting. It actually did two things: it made visual capture more efficient and accessible, AND it pushed painters to become true specialists. The best painters didn't disappear. They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued.

The reality that gen AI is more than just something within the context of art. It's infiltrating just about every avenue of business and life; my friends complain that at a driving instructing job they are told to use chatgpt to answer questions rather than to ask their higher-ups and colleagues; who are people who should know the function.

My friend who works at a start up swerved dead into AI, and has lost more than 80% of their employees. Their boss was talking to them and asking about training ai to do their job, which means he was gleefully discussing making their job so simplified they would fire them to hire lower-paying workers.

AND it pushed painters to become true specialists. The best painters didn't disappear. They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued.

Literally what? Citation needed.

Well, painters have always been uncommon. It's not like there was really a period where everyone was painting, especially far back in history where you had to be an apprentice to learn the craft since a child. Painters were already specialists well before photography; and their services were always expensive really only exclusive for the higher echelons of society.

But AI is a genuine market threat because most people can't afford them in the first place, and now the rich corporations are trying to use AI instead.

I think AI is doing the same thing to writing. Those who choose not to use it are going to rise to the top as the best of the best, pure craftspeople. Those who do use AI tools are going to become highly efficient and still produce great work. Either way.

Actually, to be completely honest, me and my friends were going through Amazon books and dreading; slop has been getting sales and reviews well past our own works in a few months than what some of us have gotten in years. Sure, our work is good, but this attitude normalises consuming and liking AI stuff which buries all of our stuff under the ever growing mountain of crud. It already was difficult as hell a decade to break out, now it's virtually impossible without a huge following on social media. It's a nightmare.

I'd even been bed rotting, literally, and been trying to write, but it's been killing my will to write my story. It's killed my drive to write a stupid dumb romp made to make me laugh and have fun.

We've already lost the battle with Climate Change, and the next ten years will be hell; and all the data centres which prop up Gen AI is going to make things worse. Even if I do finish my story, we might all end up pretty much dead or worse in the next twenty years.

I'm sorry, but there's no way I can see this as a neutral thing we should just accept.

I have to ask: why does media creation HAVE to be efficient? Why does it have to be churned out as fast as McDonald's crap which gets thrown out and is a waste? Why should we accept what the bourgeoisie say and do?

Ardently, I say, the bourgeoisie will gladly kill each person for just a penny, and it knows it can make millions by doing so, and they will.

They are using you; you are not using their AI. And I'm so sick of the attitude of "CHANGE OR SUFFER, COMPLY, CONFORM"
 
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I suspect a lot of what we'll see in the future is what I suspect is happening with at least one story on PocketFM - the author writes a 500 word chapter, then has AI pad it out to 2000 words, often without editing.
 

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Imma pop off on AI.

Ai is slop. Made by companies led by literally the worst people to ever be put on our blessed Earth.

It pollutes communities, wastes electricity, destroys our ability to play computer or video games(all the components go to ai companies), degrades all art, cause mental illness.

Ai is good for things that aren't art.
 

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Imma pop off on AI.

Ai is slop. Made by companies led by literally the worst people to ever be put on our blessed Earth.

It pollutes communities, wastes electricity, destroys our ability to play computer or video games(all the components go to ai companies), degrades all art, cause mental illness.

Ai is good for things that aren't art.
I kind of shared that view until I talked to a guy who was cut from the team at Microsoft trying to develop usable, consumer grade AI when ChatGPT beat them to market.
Creating the right prompt IS an art form, and he is now doing what he always wanted to do - making movies with his computer. Movies that, thanks to AI, he only really needs a team of five with occasional voice actors hired for specific roles to make it happen.
 

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I've been noticing a recurring debate among writers: pro-AI vs. anti-AI. But here's my take.

Think about what happened when photography was introduced. Anyone could pick up a camera, but that didn't kill painting. It actually did two things: it made visual capture more efficient and accessible, AND it pushed painters to become true specialists. The best painters didn't disappear. They became more intentional, more skilled, more valued.

I think AI is doing the same thing to writing. Those who choose not to use it are going to rise to the top as the best of the best, pure craftspeople. Those who do use AI tools are going to become highly efficient and still produce great work. Either way.
See, my momma is a Bene Gesserit & she always told me “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

I read my Orange Catholic Bible & I praise Leto the God-Emperor.

Seriously, though, it eats up RAM space that could be used for far more interesting endeavors. Until we have something that doesn't indirectly threaten other forms of art through artificial scarcity, I think its costs are disproportionate to its usefulness.

EDIT: Also, the rich will still write, think, and paint because "realness," as people point out, is something that is viewed as more prized. Why sell yourself short? I'd rather write honest fanfics in my own voice than wholly infringe on a copyright.
 
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