Wouldn’t Rakudai, Fate/Stay Night, and Suicide Hero mix?

[Love4NovelGuy]

I’m currently thinking of the sequel to my current novel, and was thinking that THIS blend of ideas mixed well.

Have an Shirou Emiya (Fate Franchise) type character who gets attacked by his future self, which prompts him to be saved by a classmate, who he has to pay back for healing him. This would transition into him going into a Magic Academy like that of Chivalry of a Failed Knight.

Maybe as a transfer student.

Then going into SSS Class Suicide Hero territory where he’s constantly trying to sacrifice himself out of righteousness for his friends.

I felt these ideas mix together well, but how do you guys think I should put as the appeal?

All three are different fictions with different kind of strengths. Shirou Emiya is the most boring without a Visual Novel format letting you control his decisions or the Holy Grail War, but that is easily supplemented by the Overdog themes of Ikki Kurogane’s character.

Since Ikki’s type is mostly static and doesn’t change, it would be nice for this kind of character to learn through a Re:Zero experience of dying. Learning to stop the self-sacrificing.

Maybe I need to add another idea into the blender to make this a more fleshed out idea.

I’m planning for this sequel to be long-running and a Fate/Stay Night to my non-mainstream Fate/Zero type prequel.

Thus, the more workable ideas into the blender, the better.

You might think that this would turn out into a mess of a sequel, but it’s actually really easy.

All I gotta do is replace the ideas above with my own lore and characters, mix and match some traits, and we’re good to go.

For example:

An idea for a villain in this sequel would be mixing that ‘Hunter’ or ‘Sword Eater’ guy in Chivalry of a Failed Knight with Shinji Matou. If you mix some character traits, you get an entirely new character with a brand new appeal.

Such as a MagiKnight from a prestigious family who overcame his limits via talent in swordsmanship rather than magic. Have him be the jerk version of the main character, but with money, influence and talent backing him up.

I’d love to hear more ideas that can be mixed into the blender, since this will be a long work and nothing is off the table.

 

[Ilikewaterkusa]

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[ArcadiaBlade]

Like our forefathers say:

"The only limit is your imagination."

I can even think of an idea where Ranma(Ranma1/2) would meet up with Rito(To Love Ru), trying to challenge him to a fight and getting sexualize because whenever he transforms into a girl, Rito would completely dominate him.

Any ideas can be implemented in a story, the only limit is just the creativity and imagination.

 

[Love4NovelGuy]

Like our forefathers say:

"The only limit is your imagination."

I can even think of an idea where Ranma(Ranma1/2) would meet up with Rito(To Love Ru), trying to challenge him to a fight and getting sexualize because whenever he transforms into a girl, Rito would completely dominate him.

Any ideas can be implemented in a story, the only limit is just the creativity and imagination.

Right now I have:

Unskilled but unknowingly part of a magical society, the main character strives to protect people, but gets killed by his future self (Fate/Stay Night) > He is revived by a tsundere fire princess and goes to a Magic Academy where he must surpass his limits (Chivalry of a Failed Knight) > He has to learn self-mutilation and self-sacrifice isn’t the only option (SSS Class Suicide Hero)

Thinking of other works I can use to branch out of there. Maybe even an Isekai.

 

[EternalSunset0]

I’m currently thinking of the sequel to my current novel, and was thinking that THIS blend of ideas mixed well.

Have an Shirou Emiya (Fate Franchise) type character who gets attacked by his future self, which prompts him to be saved by a classmate, who he has to pay back for healing him. This would transition into him going into a Magic Academy like that of Chivalry of a Failed Knight.

Maybe as a transfer student.

Then going into SSS Class Suicide Hero territory where he’s constantly trying to sacrifice himself out of righteousness for his friends.

I felt these ideas mix together well, but how do you guys think I should put as the appeal?

All three are different fictions with different kind of strengths. Shirou Emiya is the most boring without a Visual Novel format letting you control his decisions or the Holy Grail War, but that is easily supplemented by the Overdog themes of Ikki Kurogane’s character.

Since Ikki’s type is mostly static and doesn’t change, it would be nice for this kind of character to learn through a Re:Zero experience of dying. Learning to stop the self-sacrificing.

Maybe I need to add another idea into the blender to make this a more fleshed out idea.

I’m planning for this sequel to be long-running and a Fate/Stay Night to my non-mainstream Fate/Zero type prequel.

Thus, the more workable ideas into the blender, the better.

You might think that this would turn out into a mess of a sequel, but it’s actually really easy.

All I gotta do is replace the ideas above with my own lore and characters, mix and match some traits, and we’re good to go.

For example:

An idea for a villain in this sequel would be mixing that ‘Hunter’ or ‘Sword Eater’ guy in Chivalry of a Failed Knight with Shinji Matou. If you mix some character traits, you get an entirely new character with a brand new appeal.

Such as a MagiKnight from a prestigious family who overcame his limits via talent in swordsmanship rather than magic. Have him be the jerk version of the main character, but with money, influence and talent backing him up.

I’d love to hear more ideas that can be mixed into the blender, since this will be a long work and nothing is off the table.

I haven't read your current novel, but I think the premise you have is pretty cool. I like the setting and all, but I think my overall enjoyment of that has to rely on protag and classmate (I assume is gonna be female) and their dynamics as they go through their adventures. Stuff like these appeal to me when I see the growing bond between protag and classmates as well as how their personalities blend into one another (probably through school activities, teamwork in battle, banter and bickering, etc) That's why I love those magic academy harems that separate girls into arcs like the aforementioned Chivalry, but also stuff like Bahamut Chronicles, Antimagic Academy, Asterisk War, Unbreakable Machinedoll, etc. Having an air of mystery or a complex plot is cool and all, but it's all about the protag's bonds with the characters for me, and how they all pay off in the end (usually with speeches in a boss fight/the final boss or some all-your-powers-combined thing)

I don't have a complete grasp of what your protag is like because what you wrote is still pretty open to interpretation. I think the very good self-sacrificing types tend to be hit-or-miss for the general audience. I don't particularly have any issue with them, but I've seen quite a number of people who don't like them. I guess having a justification for that nature would be good. Get the audience into the mind of a character as to why he'll do that because it doesn't seem common according to basic human instinct.

Turning him cynical through dying seems cool, but I personally won't want the story to go super deep into the cynical side of things. Since we're on Fate, maybe have him go the Emiya route but still find that idealism in the end? Kinda like the UBW character arc for Emiya.

I don't have any ideas to throw at you because I like the setting, and I prefer you to plan and develop the story according to how you like it and not according to the ideas of one random stranger on a forum. I already said my piece enough as is, and I'll wish you good luck on that.

 

[Love4NovelGuy]

I haven't read your current novel, but I think the premise you have is pretty cool. I like the setting and all, but I think my overall enjoyment of that has to rely on protag and classmate (I assume is gonna be female) and their dynamics as they go through their adventures. Stuff like these appeal to me when I see the growing bond between protag and classmates as well as how their personalities blend into one another (probably through school activities, teamwork in battle, banter and bickering, etc) That's why I love those magic academy harems that separate girls into arcs like the aforementioned Chivalry, but also stuff like Bahamut Chronicles, Antimagic Academy, Asterisk War, Unbreakable Machinedoll, etc. Having an air of mystery or a complex plot is cool and all, but it's all about the protag's bonds with the characters for me, and how they all pay off in the end (usually with speeches in a boss fight/the final boss or some all-your-powers-combined thing)

I don't have a complete grasp of what your protag is like because what you wrote is still pretty open to interpretation. I think the very good self-sacrificing types tend to be hit-or-miss for the general audience. I don't particularly have any issue with them, but I've seen quite a number of people who don't like them. I guess having a justification for that nature would be good. Get the audience into the mind of a character as to why he'll do that because it doesn't seem common according to basic human instinct.

Turning him cynical through dying seems cool, but I personally won't want the story to go super deep into the cynical side of things. Since we're on Fate, maybe have him go the Emiya route but still find that idealism in the end? Kinda like the UBW character arc for Emiya.

I don't have any ideas to throw at you because I like the setting, and I prefer you to plan and develop the story according to how you like it and not according to the ideas of one random stranger on a forum. I already said my piece enough as is, and I'll wish you good luck on that.

Right now I have:

Unskilled but unknowingly part of a magical society, the main character strives to protect people, but gets killed by his future self (Fate/Stay Night) > He is revived by a tsundere fire princess and goes to a Magic Academy where he must surpass his limits (Chivalry of a Failed Knight) > He has to learn self-mutilation and self-sacrifice isn’t the only option (SSS Class Suicide Hero)

Basically, the protagonist has to realise that going gung-ho and smashing his face into the problem doesn’t work. Or at the very least, it has no benefits if he keeps on returning back in time every time he goes to sacrifice himself.

You have one helluva interesting comment. I gleaned a lot from it.

Maybe I can make the ultimate hot pot out of those Magic Academy anime.
@ArcadiaBlade @EternalSunset0 so yeah… I now understand where I’ve been thinking wrong.

I had another Light Novel Magic Academy Knockoff idea regarding AntiMagic Academy, and have realised that instead of adding more worlds and alternate dimensions for my characters to go into, I need to limit the ideas and ‘Kill the Darlings’. Must fuse all ideas into one or two worlds, nor more!