do u ever feel like eradicating humans because of their rampant love of sin.

Discount_Blade

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Serious question, who are you to determine who does and doesn't deserve to (effectively) die?
While I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, I find it still a very weak statement when arguing who has and hasn't the right to kill.

Judges are given the right to sentence people to death, but technically, they aren't anymore worthy to pronounce death on anyone than anyone else is. Just because they spent large sums of money to educated, they are allowed to effectively doom others? By that same logic, people should shut up when a policeman guns someone down. He or she trained to do their job right? There are times when they are given no other choice.

By your statement, no one has the right. Yet people kill everyday. Therefore, asking who someone is to be able to kill, is redundant and pointless because your identity is meaningless in the context.

You either kill or are killed, regardless of the context or reasoning, identity or position. That is all there is to it. "Right" is irrelevant.
 

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The issue with this kind of thinking is that it's most of the way to eco-fascism. Like, humans have been excellent care takers of our environment for some ~150,000 years. Yeah, more recently with the advent of capitalism we've started really distancing ourselves from nature and wrecked our environment but even still indeginous people (who make up about 5% of the world's population) are protecting some 80% of global biodiversity. Humans aren't the virus, our current economic system rewards infinite growth and consumption of the world's resources.
 

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Serious question, who are you to determine who does and doesn't deserve to (effectively) die?

What? Killing everyone is somehow better? Unless you actively try to not buy Chinese, or products made with Chinese components I think it's hypocritical to question others on genocide, because your indirectly supporting the genocide of 3 different people's. Which happens to be a nation run by psychopaths and sociopaths.

I'm just looking at the behaviors of government and corporate leaders in history and modern day and determined the shittiest ones are all sociopaths and psychopaths. And by shittiest I mean willing to fuck over even those working under them for personal gain and/or amusement. It doesn't take a 189 IQ to spot the behavioral patterns of historical and modern figures and compare them to known mental conditions. It's just a fact that pure capitalism and authoritarian governments rewards sociopaths and psychopaths more than other types. Because it's more profitable to screw over your workers, at least in the short term. Supposedly there's 4x the average of ceos who are psychopaths, and around 21ish% are sociopaths. Look at every company that's made headlines in this last few years, in a bad way. How many of those have a ceo that fits one of those categories?
 

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Ya know they used to say there were too many humans and theyre bad for the planet yet with the virus now its "one death is too many"? so should we have just let the virus do it's thing like we always did or is depopulation actually a friggin terrible idea?? :LOL:
 

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Human infants wouldn't survive if we lost our intelligence. Babies are born with just a few instincts, and "the village" has to bring Mom food while the baby sucks on her nipples.
 

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Woah, crappy cures? Do you know how much effort has gone into the vaccine? Sure, it isn't a "cure" it is a treatment but it's going to save thousands of lives.

Unless you're referring to all the pseudo-cures people have come up with that may actually harm you.
since the last cure in hungary there is 4300 more ppl getting sick or just puff dying
 

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While I have no much love for our fellow man...
I believe it is more moral to destroy everything on this planet and blow it up to smithers, if necessary to save humanity. Actually, let me put it even more radically: If killing all animals on the planet made humans happier, while personally I would be sad about it, I would vote to do it.
i rather see humans die than animals , you won't ever make humans happy
 

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While I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, I find it still a very weak statement when arguing who has and hasn't the right to kill.

Judges are given the right to sentence people to death, but technically, they aren't anymore worthy to pronounce death on anyone than anyone else is. Just because they spent large sums of money to educated, they are allowed to effectively doom others? By that same logic, people should shut up when a policeman guns someone down. He or she trained to do their job right? There are times when they are given no other choice.

By your statement, no one has the right. Yet people kill everyday. Therefore, asking who someone is to be able to kill, is redundant and pointless because your identity is meaningless in the context.

You either kill or are killed, regardless of the context or reasoning, identity or position. That is all there is to it. "Right" is irrelevant.

No, actually, in most western justice systems a single judge does not have the right to sentence someone to death. In the US, it requires 2 separate jury trials, both of which are full juries. Once to determine guilt or innocence, and then a second separate trial to determine sentencing. This means there are 25 people involved with the decision if you count the judge.

Then, there are also appeals, which adds in even more people to be involved with the decision. That 25 is the number necessary for initial sentencing, there is still a lot more space to getting them off death row.

I am not an expert on the UK, but by my understanding you require the unanimous decision of 5 judges in order to sentence someone to death. That, once again, is just the start of the process.

Most western or westernized countries model themselves off of either the US or the UK and have similarly staggering requirements to sentence someone to death while including a lot of people in the decision.

There is no single individual in the modern western justice systems who have the right to determine who lives and who dies.
 

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Absolutely not. I hate hearing people say things like "humans are so horrible, earth would be better off without them."

First of all, people who say this, I think it is fair to say, are probably having some amount of self doubt. If you think that the earth would be better off without humanity, you are also thinking that the universe would be better off without you. I don't think so at all! You can have a positive impact on your fellow human beings, whoever you are.

I am going to refrain from bringing my personal theological beliefs into this discussion, and look at this from outside that. Humans are just another type of animal. The universe does not care what is done to it. It does not care if one of the animals controls more, builds more, populates more than the others.

We are unfortunately in a sad place right now where we are struggling with taking care of our environment. But more and more, I'm seeing a turning point, as more of the general public is caring about this, and we're actually coming out with technology that can help us solve these problems. Better sources of power are becoming more viable, and are decreasing in cost. It is much easier to get solar than it used to, and Tesla is rolling out solar roofing, which I think will become almost standard for building houses.

Then we have technology with carbon capture that will limit existing pollution and absorb existing CO2.

Further, we are learning more efficient ways to use what we already have. Batteries are helping to regulate power grids so that we can get rid of peaker plants. Electric motors and lightbulbs are becoming more efficient, vastly reducing the energy that we need.

I don't think that we will avoid all of the troubles with climate change - we're already experiencing many. But I don't think we're ever going to reach close to an apocalyptic scenario.


In the end, I think that this question is mostly reliant on the present success of humanity. In the late nineteenth century, the powers in the world believed that humanity was on an inevitable rise, that technology would only better humanity - of course, this was ignoring.... a lot. But this optimistic world view, that humanity could be better, led to us trying to be better. We thought we could achieve greater heights, and we sought to do so.

I think that having a pessimistic view of humanity and of yourself will only result in a self fulfilling prophecy. One should, of course, have balance in life. Recognize that problems exist, but believe that they can be solved or at least managed.


Also, when people say they think humanity is terrible, it comes across kind of as you saying to me and everyone else - I think you suck. That's a little bit of hyperbole, but that is the essence of it, even if it isn't so harsh. When it comes down to it, any meaning we find in the universe is found in our connection with other people. Of course the earth wouldn't care if we were snapped out of existence. But as intelligent beings, we care about each other. We do want to exist, we want to explore, learn, and enjoy each other's company.

Whether you have a secular or religious worldview, it is very hard to ignore the fact that most of the value of life is going to be gained from your interaction with others. Having this worldview, that humans will not improve, and we are nothing but a scourge to the universe, is not going to give you much enjoyment in life.
Just saying if humans wernt a thing some other species would become the top dog, and started expanding and stuff.

So either way even if humans were gone some other species would come along
 

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I believe in karma.
If harm fell upon a group of humans and they say it's from other source , I wouldn't say it's the action of "third-party". There are usually signs of it occuring before happening and with a group of humans, I doubt that it wouldn't be noticed by a single one. Well if the person regrets that they saw what was coming and didn't act, atleast the good thing is that they will improve.

And if one is concerned about humans not getting extinct. Don't worry, we will all die someday. Whether we will die one-by-one to old age, the sun exploding, meteorite falling, an idiot pressed the "launch nuke" button and another "the big bang" happening, it would happen.
 

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Nah, but I found this on ebay for ya

 

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since the last cure in hungary there is 4300 more ppl getting sick or just puff dying
Rolling out the vaccine takes time - the instant the vaccine was made it didn't mean that no one else would catch the virus.
 

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Nah, but I found this on ebay for ya

Eradicate humans? Pfft, I would play around with this thing and make dystopias...

Now, I'm suddenly inspired to make a horrible smut in this site with some random person getting an infinity gaunlet, which I won't do, maybe...
 
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