Should the sites like Scribble Hub use the 5-star rating system?

Should the Scribble Hub use the 5-star rating system?


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beast_regards

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The 5-star rating system is the dishonest and manipulative marketing tool masquerading as the method of gathering the customer feedback, designed to create the perceived (and often false) impression of the added value for the money spent.

A customer aiming for the lower price is easily swayed by the impression that the more expensive product is somehow better only because it has been rated higher, but the ratings are rarely the accurate and objective measurement of quality, often manipulated by the sales and marketing departments to maximise the profits.

While this system has its place on commercial sites (after all, you couldn’t do marketing without marketing tools)...

… the 5-star rating system has no place on the hobbyist sites (which Scribble Hub seemingly is)…

The hobbyist writers are amateurs, usually without any education or training on both writing and marketing, and even if they did, they are robbed of all tools the marketing departments use to manipulate the ratings. They couldn’t delete reviews, or make their own, and are rarely even interested in doing so.

The hobbyist writers aren’t interested in selling the product.

They invest their free time they could have spent elsewhere to provide the free entertainment for others and are often only interested in presenting the novel in front of people who would enjoy it. Note “enjoy it”, the drive is usually for approval from like minded individuals, it is not about money or wondering the best marketing strategies.

In fact, the 5-star rating scale works directly against the hobbyist.

Not only they don’t care about marketing, they don't know about marketing, and they don’t have any tools to perform it properly even if they did …

… it also makes their experience on the Internet much, much worse.

Because of the anonymous nature of the Internet, the majority of the reactions are going to be negative, and the rating systems only worse the situation for people who seek positive affirmation for the work they did in their spare time without any financial reward in sight.

No longer they only have to deal with the usual hate messages, i.e. you post on the Internet, you risk the reply, now the negative and hostile actors have more tools to attack you, and destroy your experience with basic math.

One dislike and one like isn’t the mixed reaction anymore.

It isn’t … oh well one guy disliked work, but one liked it …

It is now 3-star, and while it theoretically shows “average” or “middle ground” it is not how the rating works.

Keep in mind, the whole rating system is to create an impression of added value, it is not the scale:

All people are subconsciously drawn to the highest values, that’s why the system was even invented, and ultimately, any rating other than the five is considered bad because of that. The readers always, always choose higher values subconsciously.

It is never used, or thought, in terms of scale, even if it pretends it is one.

This mixed with the hostile (critical) nature of the Internet, people who want to do harm will always choose the lowest value in order to cause the greatest damage possible.

Additionally, even without the inherent maliciousness, the system never comes with the explanation of what individual values even mean, allowing the people to interpret them as they like.

Person who says “Oh, 3 is average” is rarely reading stories that are rated below 4.5. It is counterintuitive, confusing, and demotivating for amateur writers who looked for “friends” or “fun” (or something along the lines). Only thing the amateur writer does is to watch the numbers drop, or to leave, never writing again.

The readers also aren’t any better off, as once again, no one knows what those numbers mean!

In the end, the rating system, seemingly being the scale of what the “most would like”, becomes the tool that only frustrates and demotivates the amateur writers which aren’t interested in the marketing strategies, and could have done something different with their time than providing you with the free entertainment.

Instead, the “like & dislike” is a much better term for the hobbyist to understand…

If you get 5 dislikes, you would be angry, but if you have 5 likes too, you have five people who encourage you to continue without even speaking up, and you want to continue for the positive five, not the negative one.

But with 3-star, you are probably doomed that the people manipulated by the marketing strategy will never read your story, because 3 is lower than five and people struggle (or won’t be bothered) to analyze the mathematical average entry values.

Since there have recently been attempts to change the site, what are your opinion on the stars scale?

(whether it is 1-10 the Royal Road uses, or the true 1-5 here on the Scribble Hub)
 

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As long as people understand that the ratings are subjective and, other than to the person giving them, pretty much meaningless, any rating system (or none) is fine. Now, if there was a technical breakdown, that might "mean something" more than just "This is my opinion"

I would love to see a system that required comments for any "perfect" (five or ten or even, as one movie critic in Detroit used in the 80s, eight star) or "awful" (one-star) rating though, just to understand what the rater was impressed or disgusted by....
 

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I would love to see a system that required comments for any "perfect" (five-star) or "awful" (one-star) rating though, just to understand what the rater was impressed or disgusted by....
The Amazon for example, allows you only to rate the products you supposedly purchased, and more importantly, doesn't have the anonymous reviews.

You need to specify what you liked or disliked about the product in words.

Of course, you need also active moderation as you get a reviews like "my grandfather died in that chair"
 

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I think the bottom line here is that, no matter the system you’ll find abuse. Some worse than others, such as Royal Road.

However, a point with the like and dislike system is plausible to say. Given that people are more likely to only have two responses, like or dislike.

And more complexity tends to turn them away from the process, with them just going min or max to say.

Though, I believe this will also create more work. For one, the current system will have to be implemented to determine which stars are likes and which are dislikes, then convert them.

Afterwards, a new system will need to be put into place to determine the order of weight when it comes to discoverability.

With their being just two forms of rating, a like or dislike, another method is likely necessary to be able to order them properly. You know, on top of the tag order.

Can it work? Yes, for sure it can. It depends how difficult it would be to implement.
 

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I personally think that the 5-star system is good but only for completed works. Most webnovels are 1st, 2nd, or 3rd drafts that are being read as fast as they are released. Some of which never finish. So it would be better to have a different system but the like and dislike system is just as bad for different reasons.
 

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I like a 5-star system with a weighting algorithm based on what reviews people have given in the past. If you haven't given many reviews, then they should be downweighted. Likewise, if you've only given all 5 or 1 star, downweighted. Certain genres are also weighted higher than others, so tweaking the variables so that across genres they are rated the same. It's be a somewhat complex endeavor, but the equation and SQL work would be pretty straightforward. Tuning would be the hard part.
 

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For NovelPets I planned to implement a 5 star system but now am deciding against it.

I'm going to build the platform where it's not possible for an authors ranking to be harmed via any negative or malicious feedback, to prevent any malicious authors using bots or other means to attack their rivals.

Ranking will be determined by a balanced consideration of positive factors. One of which will be the total number of favourites across all chapters.

Reviews will be a thing, where users can highlight aspects like "Excellent Characters" "Poor Worldbuilding" etc, but a negative review won't harm the series.
 

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I went with both but I truly mean for both. Not just one for monetized and the other for hobby. The Five star system (really wish it was 10 to be honest cause some people really do deserve a .5) does help give an idea of where the story stands without having to read through reviews. I've reviewed stories that I like but aren't much better than a 2.5 out of 5 (I like B-movies but I'm self-aware, that should explain it all). Plus, quickly seeing that a story is rated a 1 or a 4 gives me the urge to read the reviews to see why it's rated that.

Honestly, I never read a story based on likes. I've been burned too many times by that.
 

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For NovelPets I planned to implement a 5 star system but now am deciding against it.

I'm going to build the platform where it's not possible for an authors ranking to be harmed via any negative or malicious feedback, to prevent any malicious authors using bots or other means to attack their rivals.

Ranking will be determined by a balanced consideration of positive factors. One of which will be the total number of favourites across all chapters.

Reviews will be a thing, where users can highlight aspects like "Excellent Characters" "Poor Worldbuilding" etc, but a negative review won't harm the series.

If there is any visible scale (as well as ranking) involved, all actions would be motivated by the action to influence the scale in permanent fashion.

You rate story 0.5 not because it is bad, but because it would shift the scale in the way you want it.

Same applies with rank.

Ranking as seen on the *other site* actually causes as much damage as the rating itself does, and every and all actions are motivated by affect the story's rank. There is a ton of theorycrafting on how to influct damage the story, and how to undo it, and very few consideration whether the story was indeed bad or good.

People rarely think how good or bad the story is on the scale of 1 to 10 (which is the one they use), but how much damage it causes, and whether it is permanent.

What is the point in rating the story 0.5 if the moderation removes it, if you could rate in 3 and make it stick, especially in the circumstances where 3 is in fact horrible rating already, and would last, combined with the algorytm that judges the constant grow.

This couldn't happen with dislikes. You could give only one dislike with one account.

This may seem bad, considering the bots, but if you compare it to the ability to inflict what is essenctially 20 dislikes with one account where rating scale is involved, that's still a lesser evil.
 

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As long as people understand that the ratings are subjective and, other than to the person giving them, pretty much meaningless, any rating system (or none) is fine. Now, if there was a technical breakdown, that might "mean something" more than just "This is my opinion"

I would love to see a system that required comments for any "perfect" (five or ten or even, as one movie critic in Detroit used in the 80s, eight star) or "awful" (one-star) rating though, just to understand what the rater was impressed or disgusted by....
I rate this post 1 star! :blob_catflip:
 
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