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Some days, the Algorithm makes sense... other days, I realize I have no bloody clue how it works. It's like the physics of the Penguins movie, I swear.

REF - DEN is my work
 

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Some days, the Algorithm makes sense... other days, I realize I have no bloody clue how it works. It's like the physics of the Penguins movie, I swear.

REF - DEN is my work

Oh boy... I want to explain this, but I ain't gonna say I have a single bit of inside knowledge on this. What I've got is my interpretation; take it with a grain of salt, deal. Which means I am giving you what makes sense to me. If you can discover a better explanation, then feel free to call bullshit on this. I won't get mad. :blob_okay:

Alright, to start off with? Views. Those are the loosest numbers to go by. Views are basically impressions with filtering, not readers. What I mean is that they include returning readers opening chapter updates, clicking to go to and immediately leaving from someplace like Discord, Reddit, or just the SH bookmarks. You know, the library readers utilize that auto-open on the latest chapter? Then we have cached preview loads which, sometimes, preload requests from the readers. :blob_popcorn:

So those 1,100 views does not mean 1,100 people evaluated your novel that day. What it does mean is 1,100 times that chapter's page got rendered. That's why views, when they spike, don't often mean the same thing as producing readers. :blob_popcorn_two:

Let's get into the readers. At least, the gains down to the strictest numbers. That only increases when someone who never had your story in their library before goes and adds it. You knew that, I'm sure. But that also means returning readers don't give the stats any recognizable gain, existing followers binging, or any sort of viral chapter to your own fanbase; almost no reader gain. :blob_unamused:

But a low reader count with high activity? That's existing readers who moved, not new folks.

Hey, not all bad. You get favorites from those existing readers which act like recommendations on a surface exposure.

Did I sound strange explaining that? Good. Because this is the key weird one. :blob_sweat:

Favorites don't scale with views but they do scale with visibility slot placement. SH rotates stories through internal shelves by latest updates, tagging those micro-feeds, the returning reader recommendation pools I mentioned earlier, also peeps who read this also saw that, and whenever your recently active story gets resurfaced from under the mountains of AI slop. :blob_no:

Those surfaces? Those are mostly hitting fellas who are already predisposed to liking your... I think it is tags, specifically. So when your novel briefly lands in one of those, you're gonna get fewer total clicks but extremely high conversion which results in the most modest of views added with massive favorite spikes. :blob_reach:

Now you know why that screenshot of your stats page looks like that. But not everything gets updated on that page immediately; comments lag behind everything else. :blob_hide:

The reason why is because they require reading with reactions, that means the readers have to be willing to post. And we all know how silent readers can be. But, in comparison, favorites are easier to gain because the reader could just read the chapter later. :blob_catflip:

Summed up: favorites react instantly to that pesky shelf placement, whereas comments react slowly to reading completion. That's why your comment stats peaks earlier than favorites; it's tied to a chapter release, not discovery traffic. :blob_dizzy:

As for that specific day you got there? I'm just guessing, but it looks like you released a chapter, existing readers, well, read it, and then the comments started afterwards. The algorithm or system or whatever the platform uses, it detects the activity and then resurfaces the novel into the tag feed. Non-existing readers of your novel will then be browsing tags and might favorite your stuff; that's your high conversion. Most already read similar stories, so that means low new readers because the views are gonna remain moderate due to the traffic directed at a niche target. :blob_blank:

It feels random, but it is practically returning readers who actively trigger a recommendation bucket. Don't get that confused with a popularity spike. It's confusing, I know, but that's because we keep thinking popularity means views will gain us readers and finally that spicy engagement. That's not how this works. SH operates on engagement first, then it triggers resurfacing which will target those interested and follow up with the conversion I mentioned. :sweating_profusely:

If this is still confusing, I'll simplify it. :sweat_smile:

This system wasn't promoting your story to everyone; it was only re-showing it to people already likely to go read it.

Once again, my interpretation. Got something better? I'm willing to learn. :blobthumbsup:
 

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Oh boy... I want to explain this, but I ain't gonna say I have a single bit of inside knowledge on this. What I've got is my interpretation; take it with a grain of salt, deal. Which means I am giving you what makes sense to me. If you can discover a better explanation, then feel free to call bullshit on this. I won't get mad. :blob_okay:

Alright, to start off with? Views. Those are the loosest numbers to go by. Views are basically impressions with filtering, not readers. What I mean is that they include returning readers opening chapter updates, clicking to go to and immediately leaving from someplace like Discord, Reddit, or just the SH bookmarks. You know, the library readers utilize that auto-open on the latest chapter? Then we have cached preview loads which, sometimes, preload requests from the readers. :blob_popcorn:

So those 1,100 views does not mean 1,100 people evaluated your novel that day. What it does mean is 1,100 times that chapter's page got rendered. That's why views, when they spike, don't often mean the same thing as producing readers. :blob_popcorn_two:

Let's get into the readers. At least, the gains down to the strictest numbers. That only increases when someone who never had your story in their library before goes and adds it. You knew that, I'm sure. But that also means returning readers don't give the stats any recognizable gain, existing followers binging, or any sort of viral chapter to your own fanbase; almost no reader gain. :blob_unamused:

But a low reader count with high activity? That's existing readers who moved, not new folks.

Hey, not all bad. You get favorites from those existing readers which act like recommendations on a surface exposure.

Did I sound strange explaining that? Good. Because this is the key weird one. :blob_sweat:

Favorites don't scale with views but they do scale with visibility slot placement. SH rotates stories through internal shelves by latest updates, tagging those micro-feeds, the returning reader recommendation pools I mentioned earlier, also peeps who read this also saw that, and whenever your recently active story gets resurfaced from under the mountains of AI slop. :blob_no:

Those surfaces? Those are mostly hitting fellas who are already predisposed to liking your... I think it is tags, specifically. So when your novel briefly lands in one of those, you're gonna get fewer total clicks but extremely high conversion which results in the most modest of views added with massive favorite spikes. :blob_reach:

Now you know why that screenshot of your stats page looks like that. But not everything gets updated on that page immediately; comments lag behind everything else. :blob_hide:

The reason why is because they require reading with reactions, that means the readers have to be willing to post. And we all know how silent readers can be. But, in comparison, favorites are easier to gain because the reader could just read the chapter later. :blob_catflip:

Summed up: favorites react instantly to that pesky shelf placement, whereas comments react slowly to reading completion. That's why your comment stats peaks earlier than favorites; it's tied to a chapter release, not discovery traffic. :blob_dizzy:

As for that specific day you got there? I'm just guessing, but it looks like you released a chapter, existing readers, well, read it, and then the comments started afterwards. The algorithm or system or whatever the platform uses, it detects the activity and then resurfaces the novel into the tag feed. Non-existing readers of your novel will then be browsing tags and might favorite your stuff; that's your high conversion. Most already read similar stories, so that means low new readers because the views are gonna remain moderate due to the traffic directed at a niche target. :blob_blank:

It feels random, but it is practically returning readers who actively trigger a recommendation bucket. Don't get that confused with a popularity spike. It's confusing, I know, but that's because we keep thinking popularity means views will gain us readers and finally that spicy engagement. That's not how this works. SH operates on engagement first, then it triggers resurfacing which will target those interested and follow up with the conversion I mentioned. :sweating_profusely:

If this is still confusing, I'll simplify it. :sweat_smile:

This system wasn't promoting your story to everyone; it was only re-showing it to people already likely to go read it.

Once again, my interpretation. Got something better? I'm willing to learn. :blobthumbsup:
No, you said that even more succinctly than I could. I have no clue how the back end calculates anything or how it's weighed. I noticed a few things about how my pages update, but you explained it way better than I could.

Thank you!
 

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No, you said that even more succinctly than I could. I have no clue how the back end calculates anything or how it's weighed. I noticed a few things about how my pages update, but you explained it way better than I could.

Thank you!

:blob_salute:
 
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Pretty sure there is a robot arm that picks a number out of hat, and that's how trending works, that's how my dad did it, how my grandpapi did it and thats how it will continued to be done.
 

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The answer is long and it’s something only Tony knows. My guess? He probably uses velocity over a 3-day interval or even longer, and to a lesser extent (or weight), the order of magnitude.
 

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So.. what I think and don't quote me cause I'm sure I'm wrong.

stats/ Statistics 'page views' means how many people have clicked on the book page (The page with the synopsis) and has loaded the whole page, and/or stayed on the page for at least a few seconds before leaving. I'd say probably 10-30 seconds maybe (roughly the time to read the synopsis or scroll down to see the chapter titles.)

In stats/ table of contents you see the page views per chapter that people have checked out. I think again, either by loading the entire page by scrolling to the bottom, or reading the chapter in question spending a certain amount of time on the page before leaving.

According to how many people go into a chapter (to count as a 'page view') vs the amount of people clicking on the main page (with synopsis) vs how many people click on the main page AND counting as a page view, not just visiting/ interacting. You get a statistic percentage that is compared to other people on SH. This statistic percentage is used to evaluate your sitting in the SH database, only showing the top 9 percentages in trending.

my thought example:
100 people visit your main (with synopsis)
but only 50 people load the whole page, or sit for some reason getting the time qualification to count as a "page view"
25 people click a chapter
but 10 people actually read the chapter or scroll all the way down to the comment section.

so even though your homepage says 100 views
your statistics only says 50, and your table of contents only says 10.
SH would (assumingly) calculate that as a 20% interaction percentage (10/50 = 0.2 aka 20%)

Lets pretend everyone else on SH also has 50 views, but their interaction percent is less like 19% or 15%
you would get trending #1 meanwhile the others would get #2 and #3 appropriately.

But now lets say one person has 55 views, but their interaction is 15% also. They still get #1 because their views are higher. and you at 50 views with 20% get #2nd place trending.. because computers run by numbers, and order.

At least, that's what I think.. just some really sh*tty basic maths that seem incredibly random, and finicky.

Imagine someone with bad internet reads your synopsis, but lags out, opening, and refreshing, the site page before they could count as a "page view" in statistics, but count multiple times as "views" on your homepage. it'd drop your interaction % by a few points.
Or imagine a speed reader dashing through your chapters, but not loading the entire page down to the comments, or spending enough time to count as a proper "page view" in either statistics or table of contents, but multiple times in "views" on main title page. Again skewing your interaction percentage.

I mean, I'm just throwing out a conspiracy of sorts that my brain thinks of whenever looking at the statistics page because like everyone says.. that sh*t makes no sense, and is a complete load of nonsense. For all we know, all it does is count the amount of stars visible in new york skyline the moment you open stats divided by the exact time you check statistics, subtract 12, and round down. lol.
 

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So.. what I think and don't quote me cause I'm sure I'm wrong.

stats/ Statistics 'page views' means how many people have clicked on the book page (The page with the synopsis) and has loaded the whole page, and/or stayed on the page for at least a few seconds before leaving. I'd say probably 10-30 seconds maybe (roughly the time to read the synopsis or scroll down to see the chapter titles.)

In stats/ table of contents you see the page views per chapter that people have checked out. I think again, either by loading the entire page by scrolling to the bottom, or reading the chapter in question spending a certain amount of time on the page before leaving.

According to how many people go into a chapter (to count as a 'page view') vs the amount of people clicking on the main page (with synopsis) vs how many people click on the main page AND counting as a page view, not just visiting/ interacting. You get a statistic percentage that is compared to other people on SH. This statistic percentage is used to evaluate your sitting in the SH database, only showing the top 9 percentages in trending.

my thought example:
100 people visit your main (with synopsis)
but only 50 people load the whole page, or sit for some reason getting the time qualification to count as a "page view"
25 people click a chapter
but 10 people actually read the chapter or scroll all the way down to the comment section.

so even though your homepage says 100 views
your statistics only says 50, and your table of contents only says 10.
SH would (assumingly) calculate that as a 20% interaction percentage (10/50 = 0.2 aka 20%)

Lets pretend everyone else on SH also has 50 views, but their interaction percent is less like 19% or 15%
you would get trending #1 meanwhile the others would get #2 and #3 appropriately.

But now lets say one person has 55 views, but their interaction is 15% also. They still get #1 because their views are higher. and you at 50 views with 20% get #2nd place trending.. because computers run by numbers, and order.

At least, that's what I think.. just some really sh*tty basic maths that seem incredibly random, and finicky.

Imagine someone with bad internet reads your synopsis, but lags out, opening, and refreshing, the site page before they could count as a "page view" in statistics, but count multiple times as "views" on your homepage. it'd drop your interaction % by a few points.
Or imagine a speed reader dashing through your chapters, but not loading the entire page down to the comments, or spending enough time to count as a proper "page view" in either statistics or table of contents, but multiple times in "views" on main title page. Again skewing your interaction percentage.

I mean, I'm just throwing out a conspiracy of sorts that my brain thinks of whenever looking at the statistics page because like everyone says.. that sh*t makes no sense, and is a complete load of nonsense. For all we know, all it does is count the amount of stars visible in new york skyline the moment you open stats divided by the exact time you check statistics, subtract 12, and round down. lol.

Yep! That's why I am confused as to why I hit 2nd today. Back when I hit 100 chapters, and everything exploded, sure, it made sense to be in the top 3... but for the most part, that 'rush' is long gone. Not that I am complaining, but it is just bothering me how this algorithm works, as I thought I was on a downward trend.
 

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Yep! That's why I am confused as to why I hit 2nd today. Back when I hit 100 chapters, and everything exploded, sure, it made sense to be in the top 3... but for the most part, that 'rush' is long gone. Not that I am complaining, but it is just bothering me how this algorithm works, as I thought I was on a downward trend.
today was valentines day. i would assume most people, or at least half, being the normies, bots, and visitors, were out doing something else, or too busy to upload ai nonsense, giving us who are still here, and actually care, a chance to skim around; Read things we've been trying to catch up on, or just vising friends online. You're one of the people I see on here more often, and I'd assume you've got a lot of people who look up to you, me also being one of them. It would make sense that you're up on the board.
 
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