2nd Person Perspective

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I accidentally posted this in the wrong section, so…
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I’m currently trying to work out the presentation of my novel. Which is ending up being pretty much a headache due to my intense desire to write in 2nd person. The only problem is that I’m unsure how chemistry would work using that.

The sequels of this story are given flexibility in the way the narrative is being told.

1. A god telling another god about their favourite human (1st to 3rd person perspective)

2. An omniscient narrator gaining sentience and possessing characters, thus experiencing their lives (3rd to 1st Person Perspective)

Both of them alternate between ‘I’ and ‘He’ because the narrator is always in control in how they are presenting a relationship. They are talking about a ‘story’ and are aware of it. This gives them liberties to present it how they want.

I’m unsure of how to do that in 2nd person perspective, where they are either turning the reader into a character, or are talking to someone who stands in for the reader. There is a blend in reader and character that’s not present in 1st person POV and 3rd person POV.

The narrator in a 1st person story is usually a character itself. Very person to that narrator.

The narrator in a 3rd person story is talking regarding other people and circumstances. An empty husk reflecting what’s happening in that world like a voice in a stage play.

2nd person does not do that. It refers directly to ‘you’ as a reader, and you are in this story by proxy. However, a lot of people don’t like this style of writing due to the nature of how using this in the long-term creates a ‘character’.

In a short story, you are usually giving the reader very understandable actions. They do not question if they’d act in that way or not since the blank canvas is being predictably normal. This allows them to bring the reader into the story for a short while to experience horrors themselves.

As I want to write a long novel using 2nd person perspective, I am currently considering how to keep my readers NOT part of the story while using the ‘you’ to refer to a named character in the story. They acting as the readers eyes.

Like how the narrator saying ‘You’ in a letter means the recipient specifically, and not any person reading the letter. A ‘dear person’ with their name starting off the story. This is an example of what I’m referring as my angle.

My current idea is to have an Alter Ego be narrating to second ego that drives the body. Both the narrator and the one experiencing the story are in the same body. Their fates being consistent… but I ran into a problem.

This current idea is based of the Visual Novel called ‘Slay The Princess’. It’s a steam game that is about an unnamed main character being told by a narrator to slay that princess. You know nothing early on other than this particular goal.

The narrator is heard in second person. The dialogue choices you can pick indicate that you can hear this narrator in second person. He is referring to ‘you’. A story that gradually becomes more clearer the more you progress in the game.

And just like that: I have already shown you how second person works in the previous two paragraphs.

I’m unsure of how to expand on my current idea and create chemistry. How to make it better. My current idea of alter egos within the head feels too limited. I like switching between different PoVs and there is no explanation yet that I can give about why an alter ego would be telling this story or why.

How would it move between characters?

Any ideas will help. Even if they sound obvious.
 

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Other than short horror fiction (Ramsey Cambell had some excellent examples of this), the only time I've seen second person viewpoint work is in "Choose Your Own Adventure" books or websites.
Not saying it can't be done, but it seems very hard to maintain in longer fiction, unless the reader can steer the narrative a bit.

Wish I could find the name of the collection where I saw Cambell's work first - it had one of the best examples of this, and two others of lesser quality but not bad - the best one has "you" as a quintessential "mad scientist" type - you had been so close to your breakthrough that you ignored everything, even your wife, to attain success. But you had finally had that breakthrough, and, when you went to tell her, to share the fact that you had finally cracked the secret of immortality, you found that she was having an affair. You returned to your lab to plan to get rid of her and her lover, made a perfect plan, was all set to execute it ... when they struck first.
But the joke was on them because this just proved your experiment was a success, and now, all you have to do is get back up to the top of the stairs where your body lies waiting to be reconnected with its severed head, and you can avenge their betrayal...

The least successful of his efforts, IMO, is in "Strange Places and Stranger Things" - a story where "you" are a troubled writer, who goes to lead a reading at a bookstore very early one day only to find yourself encountering people who act very strangely. Halfway through the day, you begin having troubling images of your family being murdered and decide you must get home soon. On the way back, you begin to think you are the one who murdered them, but then get home and find that your corpse is in the room with the others, and that everyone you met today acted odd because, like you, they are also dead...
 
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I have never read anything similar so... I can only hope to give you a reference for a new perspective on the 2nd POV using this video.
 

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I have never read anything similar so... I can only hope to give you a reference for a new perspective on the 2nd POV using this video.
I’ve watched that one and other material. I’ve found the answer to WHO I will be addressing, but am unsure on how to make the narrator at least partially omniscient.
 

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I’ve watched that one and other material. I’ve found the answer to WHO I will be addressing, but am unsure on how to make the narrator at least partially omniscient.
Campbell pulled it off in two of his stories by giving "you" memory issues, with memories coming back as the story progressed.
 

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I’ve watched that one and other material. I’ve found the answer to WHO I will be addressing, but am unsure on how to make the narrator at least partially omniscient.
Well, maybe you could move the POV between the characters repeatedly in a scene? Like for example, you have the 2nd POV using character A and when there's a good opportunity move the 2nd POV using character B.
 

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Passing lurker-reader here, gonna add my 5 cents. Also will mention that I didn’t watch any videos on 2nd pov, so I might either state the obvious or say something absolutely incorrect.

2nd person does not do that. It refers directly to ‘you’ as a reader, and you are in this story by proxy
Personally, I feel like I’m in a story just by reading it, no matter, 1st, 2nd or 3rd pov. Just by witnessing it, I am inside, if that makes sense. Also, I wouldn’t say that when a novel uses “you” it strictly means me, the reader. It just can be the character. The 2nd pov is really just that meta, you won’t be able to take out that feeling of “being there”.

However, a lot of people don’t like this style of writing due to the nature of how using this in the long-term creates a ‘character’.
Yes, some people don’t like it because, at some point, they just can’t self-insert into the character anymore. That’s pretty much the reason why main characters, specifically in gacha games like genshin, are just as bland and soulless as possible. However, that doesn’t mean people don’t like when the character that is referred to with “you” is not a complete stand-in for “us”. For example, in Disco Elysium, which is narrated from 2nd pov, the main character is a character, there’s tons and tons of depth to him. The pov and the narration are a perfect balance between the personal and the omniscient.

I am currently considering how to keep my readers NOT part of the story while using the ‘you’ to refer to a named character in the story. They acting as the readers eyes.
Just have a character with depth, make a clear distinction that “we” are not the ones that are referred to. Give the character an actual story, a personality, not just make them an outlet for a reader to experience the novel’s world and story.

I’ve found the answer to WHO I will be addressing, but am unsure on how to make the narrator at least partially omniscient.
Tbh, I don’t see the problem here. Why can’t you just make omniscient 2nd pov? Just why not?

Anyway, I recommend checking out Disco Elysium, if you haven’t heard about it. I’m pretty sure it might help.
 

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Look up "Soramimi Hanarejima." They've written a lot of short pieces you can find around the internet.
Here is their first book:
 

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Tbh, I don’t see the problem here. Why can’t you just make omniscient 2nd pov? Just why not?

Anyway, I recommend checking out Disco Elysium, if you haven’t heard about it. I’m pretty sure it might help.
Oh I think I missed the context that I was going to make the character and narrator interact with each other.

I’ve decided with just making my character blind and continuing from there. The narrator’s a system of sorts that can give him senses via describing the world. He can move around to others but the MC would be completely without senses if he does.
 

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I was going to make the character and narrator interact with each other.
I mean, 2nd omniscient pov can also be interacted with. Sorta. E.g.: the narrator might be the world itself. It is everything, from the forests and rivers to the cities and people in them, therefore omniscient. Like some sort of metaphysical concept that directly talks to the MC.

I’ve decided with just making my character blind and continuing from there. The narrator’s a system of sorts that can give him senses via describing the world. He can move around to others but the MC would be completely without senses if he does.
If he’s blind… why would he not have other senses without the narrator? As of right now, it doesn’t make sense that if the narrator’s gone he would have no senses at all when all he lacks is sight. The smell, taste, touch and hearing still stays. Theoretically, without the narrator the MC just would be without alt text.

Honestly, the more I think about this the less I understand… low brain power… I can only wish you luck. Maybe try out a bunch of concepts and write one-shots just to check how it all works?
 

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I mean, 2nd omniscient pov can also be interacted with. Sorta. E.g.: the narrator might be the world itself. It is everything, from the forests and rivers to the cities and people in them, therefore omniscient. Like some sort of metaphysical concept that directly talks to the MC.


If he’s blind… why would he not have other senses without the narrator? As of right now, it doesn’t make sense that if the narrator’s gone he would have no senses at all when all he lacks is sight. The smell, taste, touch and hearing still stays. Theoretically, without the narrator the MC just would be without alt text.

Honestly, the more I think about this the less I understand… low brain power… I can only wish you luck. Maybe try out a bunch of concepts and write one-shots just to check how it all works?
Right. Good point. Will think about the implications.
 
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