Is your short story seen as incomplete? Here's why!

Kurayami

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The thing that immediately grabs my attention is that this puzzle piece doesn't fit!
 

TinaMigarlo

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As I look around at web-novels, the difference between writing WNs and trad paperbacks becomes glaring.
While the mechanics of writing are much the same, much is different.
If you look at a traditional paperback... a well paced 80k word story, was very normal.
But there's not as much numbers reward for that.
Instead, what writers used to call "over-writing" and now "sprawl"... is more or less rewarded.
On another site, I got to hear WN writers talking very frankly with one another.
Here is a typical exchange I heard multiple times...

"How do i get hundred of thousands of words, and hundreds and hundreds of chapters like I need."

"Oh, that's easy. You design your story that way."

"What do you mean?"

"Look at my [Web-novel X]. Find another dungeon. Crawl it. Rinse and repeat, dude. Just always have another mission, in your story to go out on."

A lot of the "successful" ones? Are d-e-s-i-g-n-e-d to be open-ended and never really "end" in the way traditional stories become completed or end.
 

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As I look around at web-novels, the difference between writing WNs and trad paperbacks becomes glaring.
While the mechanics of writing are much the same, much is different.
If you look at a traditional paperback... a well paced 80k word story, was very normal.
But there's not as much numbers reward for that.
Instead, what writers used to call "over-writing" and now "sprawl"... is more or less rewarded.
On another site, I got to hear WN writers talking very frankly with one another.
Here is a typical exchange I heard multiple times...

"How do i get hundred of thousands of words, and hundreds and hundreds of chapters like I need."

"Oh, that's easy. You design your story that way."

"What do you mean?"

"Look at my [Web-novel X]. Find another dungeon. Crawl it. Rinse and repeat, dude. Just always have another mission, in your story to go out on."

A lot of the "successful" ones? Are d-e-s-i-g-n-e-d to be open-ended and never really "end" in the way traditional stories become completed or end.
Wow, I honestly can't even imagine writing like that. All my story ideas have a beginning, some key plot points, and an end to them already planned ahead of time, and I just fill out the smaller details as I go. On the other hand, it definitely takes a certain amount of skill to make a story continue on the same exact formula endlessly but still keep it engaging.
 

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"How do i get hundred of thousands of words, and hundreds and hundreds of chapters like I need."

"Oh, that's easy. You design your story that way."

"What do you mean?"

"Look at my [Web-novel X]. Find another dungeon. Crawl it. Rinse and repeat, dude. Just always have another mission, in your story to go out on."

A lot of the "successful" ones? Are d-e-s-i-g-n-e-d to be open-ended and never really "end" in the way traditional stories become completed or end.
The "One Piece" method. LOL


Newest video, nearly done with this set. And yes, I'm aware of what happened at the end, stupid thing didn't save what I input on volume before exporting. -.-
@Story_Marc A question that might be literature-related (or unfortunately might be psychology-related). Why is thinking up an interesting premise so easy but executing that premise to one's own standards so hard?
 
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Wow, I honestly can't even imagine writing like that. All my story ideas have a beginning, some key plot points, and an end to them already planned ahead of time, and I just fill out the smaller details as I go. On the other hand, it definitely takes a certain amount of skill to make a story continue on the same exact formula endlessly but still keep it engaging.
I grew up on comic books so kind of tend to think this way - in story arcs and episodes rather than just plain "stories" - though I've only posted two stories in this model (Strange Awakening- though I didn't really know what it was when I started it - and True Blue)
 

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As I look around at web-novels, the difference between writing WNs and trad paperbacks becomes glaring.
While the mechanics of writing are much the same, much is different.
If you look at a traditional paperback... a well paced 80k word story, was very normal.
But there's not as much numbers reward for that.
Instead, what writers used to call "over-writing" and now "sprawl"... is more or less rewarded.
On another site, I got to hear WN writers talking very frankly with one another.
Here is a typical exchange I heard multiple times...

"How do i get hundred of thousands of words, and hundreds and hundreds of chapters like I need."

"Oh, that's easy. You design your story that way."

"What do you mean?"

"Look at my [Web-novel X]. Find another dungeon. Crawl it. Rinse and repeat, dude. Just always have another mission, in your story to go out on."

A lot of the "successful" ones? Are d-e-s-i-g-n-e-d to be open-ended and never really "end" in the way traditional stories become completed or end.
This pretty much just falls into the topic of scope, which I plan to cover soon.

Basically, webnovelists are all maximizing for biggest scope
 

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You should make a VN about writing, and the writer has to make certain choices along the way for their narrative.
I've considered a couple of things like this before, though I'm not sure how I'd implement it yet. I've been considering maybe a full interactive visual novel on YouTube for fun. Though we'll see what I do.
The "One Piece" method. LOL


@Story_Marc A question that might be literature-related (or unfortunately might be psychology-related). Why is thinking up an interesting premise so easy but executing that premise to one's own standards so hard?
Because executing that premise requires craftsmanship. Or, well, basically, the premise part is easy since it's just potential. Execution is engineering.

It's pretty much the same with most things. Such as how fitness, plenty imagining certain things but the actual execution of it is so much harder on many because they don't put into place all the actual pieces to accomplish it. That's actually one of the reasons I do make all the videos I do: to try and lower the barrier between premise and execution on as many things as I possibly can.
 

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Because executing that premise requires craftsmanship. Or, well, basically, the premise part is easy since it's just potential. Execution is engineering.

It's pretty much the same with most things. Such as how fitness, plenty imagining certain things but the actual execution of it is so much harder on many because they don't put into place all the actual pieces to accomplish it. That's actually one of the reasons I do make all the videos I do: to try and lower the barrier between premise and execution on as many things as I possibly can.
That makes sense; getting good should produce better results than lowering my standards. LOL

EDIT: Until I get good, my stories will continue having excessive plot points to the point where the premise is almost lost.
 

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That makes sense; getting good should produce better results than lowering my standards. LOL

EDIT: Until I get good, my stories will continue having excessive plot points to the point where the premise is almost lost.
Heh. I believe the all-time champion of "successful writer with excessive plot points" has to be Chris Claremont; the first time he left The Uncanny X-Men, a group of fans went through his run and counted out the number of plot points he put out there that either were completely negated by later events, or just never explored past their introduction. The total was 117, for 20 years of mostly monthly stories, one to three titles a month, plus occasional specials, annuals, graphic novels and side projects...
 
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