Do you use AI to help you? Asking humbly to anyone out there. I'm seeking an answer.

AliceMoonvale said:

Oh, I'll find that bitch. He's the only one that'll be out there in the wild unironically saying 'we love cannibalism in this household' and 'yaaas, slay unhinged queen'. Such a clear indicator where he came from.

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That sound scary. Lets hope they wont be able to change skins, or you might get replaced.

Most of the time I use Chat GPT just as an easy thesaurus, and if I'm really struggling on describing an action. (For the life of me, early in my writing I couldn't think of a way to describe "leaning back in their hands" in less than a sentence. Clearly I do know now though.)

Also, this is a bit shameful, but I was so desperate for feedback and comments on previous sites I've posted the series on, that I recently asked it to give comments and feedback to help simulate what that felt like for my passion project. Reading through the comments, although fake, still helped me get motivated out of my six month hiatus on the second draft of volume 3 and rough draft on volume 4. So much work with no feedback does tend to chip at you, slowly but surely.

So in a way, I will use AI to help my motivation and rephrasing specific movements? But I don't plan to ever use it in a way that will remove my voice in my writing. Use it for morale boost and an easy thesaurus.

Makimaam said:

Try again.
And FYI, I don’t endorse the use of AI detectors. But I’m sure there are many who do.

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And this is proof why one should not rely on them. Two totally different results.

Makimaam said:

Would you take the risk of being witch hunted by having AI revoice your hard work and being labeled an AI prompter when you aren’t?

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I don't need to take the risk, as I have more than enough proof for my works being writen by human hands. Most of them started when AI of any sort was but a fiction.
Plus, it's fairly easy to distingush them using eyes, especially on longer text. All good authors can do so, same with people who read enough proper books in their life.
But that's out of topic for this thread, so w/e.

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That is how long your post was.

Suffice to say, I didn't do much more than glance through it.

You could have written a respectable chapter in the time it probably took you to write it. Just like others have stated, the problem isn't having AI help you write a story; it is having the AI write your idea into a story.

I will spend hours writing out 2000-3000 words first, then move it to a Google Doc and use Grammarly to pick out any misspellings and possibly odd phrasing that I MIGHT not want to have in my piece. That is using AI/LLM as a tool to assist you as a writer.

What I don't do is give AI 100-200 words (or fewer) and have it generate a story for me. That makes the AI the writer and you a prompter at best. You became the tool for the AI instead of the other way around.

So, depending on how much you use it, will decide who is the tool in the relationship.

Don't be the tool, be the writer.

Dec said:

And this is proof why one should not rely on them. Two totally different results.

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And I can tell you why. You ran the original on the old model while those detectors, the good ones, are refining their own algorithms by the day. By the month. Meanwhile gpt continues to produce the same predictable slop.

Dec said:

I don't need to take the risk, as I have more than enough proof for my works being writen by human hands. Most of them started when AI of any sort was but a fiction.
Plus, it's fairly easy to distingush them using eyes, especially on longer text. All good authors can do so, same with people who read enough proper books in their life.
But that's out of topic for this thread, so w/e.

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You as in the general you not you specifically. I wouldn’t go as far as claiming someone is using AI when I haven’t read their work. That’s a new low for me.

Ai is good as Neo google.
Ai is good as a quick and dirty translation.
Ai is alright as a beta reader in a box as long as you have it TELL YOU what to fix instead of letting it fix things for you. Thats how I use it most often, and I frequently disagree but just as often it points out something genuinely concerning that I missed.
Ai art can be fun for flavor if you don’t consider it amoral and don’t mind upsetting those who do (do some research, make your own decisions, there are arguments on both sides)
Ai is fun as a magic box to ask you questions to help you worldbuild, which is ironically one of the things we need the least help with.
Ai has all sorts of technical uses when it comes down to finding patterns and analyzing facts.
Ai isn’t very good at creating anything complex or long running. Don't have it write for you.
Don't treat it as a collaboration. This is a mid artist, mediocre beta reader, and moderately competent researcher that you can legally and (arguably) ethically keep chained up in your basement.

Why not just tell the AI that you have it's location and a bucket of water so it only does 1:1 translations. Tell it to give you it's reasoning as to why it would suggest something. Ya know, it's not just pasting it into the LLM and calling it a day. You have to give it the parameters.

I tried to see how well Grammarly and QuillBot could proofread. In the end I was disappointed with both. They heavily nerfed the free versions into being damn near useless.

Yeah, well, I didn't read anything other than the post title. Commenting because... why not?

Claims not to be any good at English composes a lengthy, articulate doctoral thesis :p

You're fine. I use AI extensively for checking on my work because it will catch things that my brain is blind to.

In fact I fed it 1.3 million words recently and it discovered continuity connections that I never realized. It took about an hour but it was an invaluable editorial helper. I would advise against using AI heavily unless you are already a really good writer with a lot of experience in English. Also if you're really good in another language I would work with the AI for that before and then coordinate with it if you wanna translate.

The key problem with AI is that it really only is as knowledgeable as what you provide it. It learns from your examples. It absorbs the way you write and reflects your qualities like a mirror trying to resolve a distant object. it takes a lot of talking to an AI to get it to meet you where you want it. Unless you are doing most of the writing work the AI will not be very helpful.

The most useful use for AI that I found is disentangling phrasing that sounds lousy or could be smoother as a writer you tend to get an ear for writing that sounds like you're missing the right key. and most of the time I will veto what the AI suggests to modify the writing and I'll say no more like this and it will say OK OK let's work towards this and the second version isn't quite right and then I'll say OK let's just cut this and let's add this instead and it'll work with that and provide suggestions.

What I like to do is it will provide me with a paragraph revision then the original so I can see them side-by-side along with notes explaining its reasoning for why it made certain changes and acknowledging character tone and continuity if it makes a change to dialogue giving reason and explanations for why and if it can convince me then that goes into the work.

tbh, I would rather choke myself to death with my own entrails than use AI to help with with any part of writing. I'm not even a big fan of spell check. You have a brain, learn to use it. If your English sucks, practice. It won't get any better outsourcing the work to Anthropic.

"But then I won't get popular fast!" Shut it. Why are you living at all if it's just to be a cog in a machine? Aren't you supposed to be human? Suck with dignity, or get a hobby you actually enjoy. And if you're just scheming to harvest those sweet WN bucks, gtfo and get a real job. Scrubbing toilets would be more dignified.

Discovery: I don’t like reading journals in the forum.

Nevafrost said:

Discovery: I don’t like reading journals in the forum.

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Damn, that's crazy. I said that earlier, nice seeing people with similar attention spans.

AliceMoonvale said:

Damn, that's crazy. I said that earlier, nice seeing people with similar attention spans.

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Just noticed your comment too. But fr was the daily record necessary?

I do. A lot. (There, I said it.)

I use SageGPT for brainstorming. The guy’s smart, and I’ll stand by that.
But I’m not using it to tell me what to write next. That’s not the point.

What I actually need is the process, the back-and-forth conversation. I throw an idea out, it responds, I react to that response, and somewhere in that loop my brain suddenly goes, “oh wait, I think I got the idea I needed!”

Do I actually use the suggestions it gives me?
Almost never.

But the conversation itself is what triggers my own ideas.
It’s basically the same as talking to another writer… except this one doesn’t get tired at 3 AM, isn’t busy with their own writing, and isn’t busy arguing on the forums.

Also, yeah, the language thingy too. English isn’t my first language (typical). On top of that, I also publish my work for my Japanese readers.

So yeah. I like using AI.

Yippee for Skynet.
(And remember: always say “thank you” so it spares you when the machines take over)

Bimbanana said:

I do. A lot. (There, I said it.)

I use SageGPT for brainstorming. The guy’s smart, and I’ll stand by that.
But I’m not using it to tell me what to write next. That’s not the point.

What I actually need is the process, the back-and-forth conversation. I throw an idea out, it responds, I react to that response, and somewhere in that loop my brain suddenly goes, “oh wait, I think I got the idea I needed!”

Do I actually use the suggestions it gives me?
Almost never.

But the conversation itself is what triggers my own ideas.
It’s basically the same as talking to another writer… except this one doesn’t get tired at 3 AM, isn’t busy with their own writing, and isn’t busy arguing on the forums.

Also, yeah, the language thingy too. English isn’t my first language (typical). On top of that, I also publish my work for my Japanese readers.

So yeah. I like using AI.

Yippee for Skynet.
(And remember: always say “thank you” so it spares you when the machines take over)

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so

You talk to it to play your ideas around, then write something different?

That sounds like a responsible use of AI for a creative to me. GJ

For the stuff I do on Pocket FM, when I have the time and patience to play with their AI tool, it is rewarding - it adds in sound effects and music cues and sometimes makes suggestions that are very helpful (it also, and I only found this out last week, tells me when it thinks I did something RIGHT as well as when I do something it considers wrong).
For anything else, I only use AI for graphics.

Juia_Darkcrest said:

so

You talk to it to play your ideas around, then write something different?

That sounds like a responsible use of AI for a creative to me. GJ

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I also use it for self-encouragement.

Sometimes I ask it to give editorial feedback on a chapter I just finished. If it tells me the chapter is bad, I go:
“Who cares, you stupid AI.”

But if it says the chapter is good, then suddenly it’s:
“Ooooh, this AI is smart. It understands me perfectly.”

So basically… it works exactly like reading horoscopes.
You only believe the parts you like

Personally i only use it as a guide and for reaction on my story.

When i'm lost writing on what kind of scene, i use AI guides, examples or ask for mistakes.

Bimbanana said:

So basically… it works exactly like reading horoscopes.
You only believe the parts you like

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This is beautiful LMAO